Minarets in Switzerland? upcoming national vote
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:15 PM
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Ever thought about how perverted human rights have become when people make it a human right to be allowed building high rising needle shaped structures as part of "religious freedom". Religious freedom allows you to worship any freaking god you like nothing more, nothing less.
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:22 PM
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yes good point logos999 about race - there is only one race and that is the human race or homo sapiens.
and yes I agree religious freedom allows you to worship a god of your choice. it should also allow you to build a structure, as you wish to worship in and should allow you to wear religious clothing as you wish. If this was the Mennionites or Mormons, or a Hindu or Buddist group and was also 6% of the population's total no one would be concerned would they?
and yes I agree religious freedom allows you to worship a god of your choice. it should also allow you to build a structure, as you wish to worship in and should allow you to wear religious clothing as you wish. If this was the Mennionites or Mormons, or a Hindu or Buddist group and was also 6% of the population's total no one would be concerned would they?
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:36 PM
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Wearing whatever you like is part of human rights not of religious rights. Designing a structure to look a certain way cannot be part of human rights or religious freedom. If it were, I'd demand for my new religion to be allowed to build a house in downtown Munich that looks like a giant Micky Mouse as our place of worship.
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:36 PM
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Well maybe there is no difference between the two Ms. Info.
However, I do look at countries with no religious freedoms other than that which the state says is allowable, such as Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Northern Ireland, most of Latin America, and I see countries with a lot of chaos and bloodshed in the name of god.
I see countries with a lot of religious freedoms for all groups like the US, Canada, and some European countries and I see less bloodshed and restrictions that lead to war.
However, I do look at countries with no religious freedoms other than that which the state says is allowable, such as Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Northern Ireland, most of Latin America, and I see countries with a lot of chaos and bloodshed in the name of god.
I see countries with a lot of religious freedoms for all groups like the US, Canada, and some European countries and I see less bloodshed and restrictions that lead to war.
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:39 PM
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logos999,
As far as building a Mickey Mouse house of worship - it has already been done in Florida, Anaheim and outside of Paris. Why can't a house of worship build any way or thing they want if it doesn't go against building codes, zoning restrictions, etc.
As far as building a Mickey Mouse house of worship - it has already been done in Florida, Anaheim and outside of Paris. Why can't a house of worship build any way or thing they want if it doesn't go against building codes, zoning restrictions, etc.
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:41 PM
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Women wearing a burka are not making a religious statement, they is making a political one. Also the men who enforce this on her are doing the same thing, usually a very radical religious and political statement. The burka is not mentioned as a a type of clothing in the Koran for a woman, it is a custom from a few tribes practicing a very radical form or Islam.
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:42 PM
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It seems to me the problem isn't religious freedoms, burkas, minerettes, etc. It is the growing concern of terrorism and the fear that militant Islam represents.
You can erase militants and religious terrorists from the country by getting rid of their houses of worship. The Swiss have to tackle the underlying ideological issues first.
You can erase militants and religious terrorists from the country by getting rid of their houses of worship. The Swiss have to tackle the underlying ideological issues first.
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:45 PM
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I meant to type you CANNOT erase militants and religious ....
TPAxe, I don't feel one has to give up their cultural or religious garbs just because it isn't specified in the Koran.
There are thousands, hundreds of thousands of Moslems in the US that wear certain types of clothes and arent' militants and aren't a threat to anyone. Again it is the militant factions that the Swiss must deal with not the symbols of the regular practioners of a religion.
TPAxe, I don't feel one has to give up their cultural or religious garbs just because it isn't specified in the Koran.
There are thousands, hundreds of thousands of Moslems in the US that wear certain types of clothes and arent' militants and aren't a threat to anyone. Again it is the militant factions that the Swiss must deal with not the symbols of the regular practioners of a religion.
Nov 29th, 2009, 12:53 PM
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logos, it's one thing to enforce a building code against a certain type of construction. But if you allow a christian church to have a building with a steeple and a cross, isn't it discrimination to prevent another religion to construct a building with a different kind of adornment?
And I think nanabee is right - if they think banning minarets is some form of protection against jihad, they are not too bright.
And I think nanabee is right - if they think banning minarets is some form of protection against jihad, they are not too bright.
Nov 29th, 2009, 01:00 PM
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"Religious freedom doesn't grant you the right to build whatever you want. And since minaretts are against building codes now..."
You need to come to the south. We have some of the most butt ugly churches in world. Pre-fab tilt ups that make an outhouse look like Linderhof. Minarettes would be a vast improvement.
You need to come to the south. We have some of the most butt ugly churches in world. Pre-fab tilt ups that make an outhouse look like Linderhof. Minarettes would be a vast improvement.
Nov 29th, 2009, 01:05 PM
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It's not just religious houses it is buildings for all sorts of things, businesses, residences, medical offices and hospitals, shopping malls, whatever. To demand an organization build in a certain way is wrong, not withstanding building codes and zoning codes as I've mentioned before.
Some of the most outrageous structures in their day caused outrage by citizens - the most famous that comes to mind is the Eiffel Tower in Paris.
Some of the most outrageous structures in their day caused outrage by citizens - the most famous that comes to mind is the Eiffel Tower in Paris.
Nov 29th, 2009, 02:48 PM
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