The Anti-Tourist

Old Apr 8th, 2009, 10:49 AM
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It is NOT unfair to the cabbie. The cabbie chose to drive a cab knowing the rules. If you don;t want to drive a cab where the public wants to go, then work for a car service, so you can pick and choose your trips. (But be aware that if you turn down too many trips the service won't keep you.)

There are lots of other ways of making a living - and drivers who prefer to select their passengers based on race, gender or destination - should pick another one.

(How is this any different from other types of racial profiling - as in cops pulling guns on people of a specific race because of crime statistics? This is simply illegal - and no one is allowed to do it. And it;s perfectly appropriate to penalize drivers who don;t follow the rules.)
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Old Apr 8th, 2009, 11:25 AM
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Ah, Aduchamp! Still at it I see, how about the mom's with stollers in what, that subburb of NYC that carry kids in slings?

Remember to eat with gusto while in NYC.
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Old Apr 8th, 2009, 11:40 AM
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nytraveler - very well said.
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Old Apr 9th, 2009, 02:26 AM
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"It is NOT unfair to the cabbie."

It is unfair to expect cabbies to go into dangerous neighborhoods and pick up anybody with no protection. This is politically correct nonsence. If they require this, then all cabs should be equipped with bullet proof glass and cabbies should be allowed to arm themselves if they aren't. Cops are given protection, cabbies aren't. Until this happens, sorry but safety wins out over political correctness, the heck with the law.

"There are lots of other ways of making a living - and drivers who prefer to select their passengers based on race, gender or destination - should pick another one."

Let's face it, we could debate all night but most all cabbies are choosy, at least to some extent about who they pick up because their safety depends on it. If we got rid of all cabbies who went exactly by the law, then who would drive a cab, nobody???? I'm not saying that race, gender or destination be the sole factors but those combined with others factors. I knew a black woman who used to be a cabbie and she said she refused to pick up young black males because of so many bad experiences.

"(How is this any different from other types of racial profiling - as in cops pulling guns on people of a specific race because of crime statistics?"

Cops have every right to profile people, not soley based on race, but when a combination of factors are involved. It's a cop's job to fight crime and some areas and people are far more likely to have crime or be involved in crime. THIS IS REALITY. I believe cops should be civil to all who behave but if they stop a carload of young "gangsta" looking guys in a high crime area, they have every right to protect themsleves by drawing their guns because these are far more likely to be up to no good then a carload of elderly women in a middle class neighborhood. They also have every right to scrutinize "gangsta" guys a lot more closely than elderly women because their job is to fight crime and it would be foolish to equally scrutinize elderly women who have much lower crime rates.

Seriously, do some of you uber politically correct types just completely ignore REALITY. Most of you in your hearts know full well I'm correct as none of you live in high crime areas or send your kids to schools there yet you expect others, like cabbies, to overlook what you don't and risk their lives. Wake up to reality people instead of your pie-in-the-sky ideology.
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Old Apr 9th, 2009, 09:28 AM
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Obviously you don;t ride in cabs in NYC very often. Many of the cabs do have bulletproof shields between them and the passengers. And if they feel they need to have protection they are free to apply for a gun permit (but I doubt they would get one).

Sorry - this is not PC. This is real discrimination that makes life more difficult for a lot of law-abiding people for no reason whatsoever.

Perhaps I'm sensitive to this since my grandmother was discriminated against as a young woman looking for her first job. there were signs saying "no Irish need apply" - since it was assumed they were both stupid and dishonest. So I support all laws and regulations that try to prevent discrimination.

Following your thinking bus drivers could refuse to drive into neighborhoods they don;t like. Subway conductros could refuse to drive trains into areas they don;t like. And people who live in those areas (the vast majority of whom are law abiding) would have no transport at all. And if you can explain why a cabbie should have this choice while a bus driver or subway conductor don't - I would really like to see the thought behind it.

Again - cabbies choose to drive a cab. If they don;t want to follow the rules they should choose another job.

As for your point of view of cops "rights" - they are directly counter to NYC police department policy. Not sure where you're from that people are allowed to behave this way - but here cops that routinely did that would be disciplined. Unless there is some evidence of a crime - beyond skin color and clothing - no cop has any business drawing a gun.
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"Sorry - this is not PC. This is real discrimination that makes life more difficult for a lot of law-abiding people for no reason whatsoever."

As is said, I don't believe in discriminating against race, gender alone. There are a combination of factors but regardless of what we think, most cabbies are choosy and I don't blame them for putting personal safety first, despite the fact that it might be illegal. The law cannot bring you back to life if you're shot.

"Not sure where you're from that people are allowed to behave this way - but here cops that routinely did that would be disciplined. Unless there is some evidence of a crime - beyond skin color and clothing - no cop has any business drawing a gun."

Where I'm from is no different then where you are from regarding expected police behavior but cops do have the right in my opinion to be more cautious when dealing with certain groups or scrutinize them more closely Again, not race or gender alone but a combination of factors. It's just common sense. Who's more likely to shoot you, a carload of young male gangsta looking guys in a bad neighborhood or a carload of elderly women in a middle class neighborhood. I rest my case.

"Following your thinking bus drivers could refuse to drive into neighborhoods they don;t like. Subway conductros could refuse to drive trains into areas they don;t like And if you can explain why a cabbie should have this choice while a bus driver or subway conductor don't "

These people(bus drivers and subway conductors) do their jobs in public and have more protection, a cabbie is alone. That's the difference. Blame those percentage of people in bad neighborhoods who make the neighborhoods bad, not others from not wanting to go.
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