Cholmondley_Warner

Yes - in the appropriate forums for public debate. Allowing wankers like degas and Karen 101 to get away with this blood-curdling racism on here simply re-inforces their opinion that there is nothing wrong with their repugnant views and, indeed, that others share them.

Well they don't speak for me and I don't think that they should be given a platform here.

But this is the way of things on Fodors. You can be a vile racist and be welcomed, but the minute you criticise the yanks or America or Israel expect your posts to be deleted and to be banned.

wellididntknowthat

Quite right CW. How many times will they put up with that tosspot calling for great swathes of the worlds population to be wiped out. Kinda puts the odd leg pull about who invented what into perspective.

Nikki

I certainly don't think everybody here speaks for me on any topic. But I am glad to read their opinions. That is how I learn about people, especially those with whom I do not agree.

degas

Here we go again. I'm being called a racist. LOL! So, give me an example of why you believe that. come on, let's see what you got. What's sticking in your craw now.

Cholmondley_Warner

>>>>publicly declare all the positive things the muslims do and show public distain for the negative things.'

Good point. So, go ahead, name some good things?>>>>>

QED.

You belive that something like 1.5bn people have done no good whatsoever?

If that's not racist I'm a Dutchman.

(FWIW I'm not sure you're a racist. I just think you're a blithering idiot most of the time)

Anyway I don't converse with racists if I don't have to.

wellididntknowthat

>Here we go again. I'm being called a racist. LOL! So, give me an example of why you believe that. come on, let's see what you got. What's sticking in your craw now.<

You mean apart from the casual injunctions to wipe out those you don't agree with, the dismissal of the culture and religion of around a quarter of the worlds population.

Aside from your passing acquaintence with the truth and your glib indifference to the health care of anyone but you and yours, you're right, what could anyone possibly object to about Degas?

degas

CW - is that all you got? You jump the gun and automatically assume I was being negative about Muslims? I think muslims get a bum rap as all we hear about them are beheadings, car bombings, honor killings, kidnappings, suicide vests, acid attacks on little school girls, rocket launches against civilian targets in Israel.... . I would appreciate more info on the many good things that they do. I'm puzzled why folks have not listed those things yet on this thread.

kleeblatt

Degas, for somebody who "travels" as much as you, you've sure got a closed mind.

PatrickLondon

>>all we hear about them are beheadings, car bombings, honor killings, kidnappings, suicide vests, acid attacks on little school girls, rocket launches against civilian targets in Israel<<

The crucial phrase there is "all we hear". This ignores the fact that most of the victims of such violent extremists are themselves Muslims, and ignores the hundreds of millions of Muslims living - or trying to live - ordinary lives in countries far removed from all of that. Besides, since when has collective guilt become the norm? Is every American to be blamed for every single nutcase that hits the world headlines?

>>I would appreciate more info on the many good things that they do. I'm puzzled why folks have not listed those things yet on this thread.<<

It isn't necessary (if collective guilt is a stupid concept, so is collective credit), but Muslims and Muslim countries have charitable organisations and hospitable people just as they - and any other country or culture - have cruel or indifferent people.

The question is, surely, what are the best standards by which we would wish to be judged in our own countries, and whether we apply them equally and fairly to everyone in the country. I rather thought that was something the US claimed as part of its founding spirit.

Bitter

I agree with trickie that if they want to practice their religion they should be allowed to, but they do not need to be accomodated in a way that is special or inconsistent with local norms, laws or zoning requirements.

That said, questioning the religion is not de facto racism. Weren't there arrests just this week in Chicago relating to the Muhammad cartoons? Apparently Yale's book about the cartoons will not re-publish them. http://lawiscool.com/2009/08/12/yale...s-of-muhammad/

Judyrem

My question: why on earth, would Muslims want to move to a country that does not share their values or religion? What makes them emigrate? Would they not be happier staying in a predominantly Muslim country? Just asking.

kleeblatt

Judyrem: There are lots of Muslims all over Europe. They might come because of good job opportunties... quite often better in their homeland. Or perhaps they are refugees. Or they've married someone from Switzerland. There are lots of reasons why Muslims come to Europe. And remember, not all Muslims have the same language or nationality. Just like Christians.

trickiewoo

Agree, Schuler, especially since he <<travels>> on behalf of the United Nations. I wonder if his <<superiors>> know how racist he is? You don't usually find many people working for or with the UN who express opinions like his. How unusual.

degas

Judyrem, at the risk of being called a racist, I'd venture to say that some of them want to spread thier culture and impose thier religion and values on other people in other lands. Others can chime in, but Muslims are often cited for a poor record of "blending in" when they migrate to non-muslim countries.

Nikki

"Is every American to be blamed for every single nutcase that hits the world headlines?"

Certainly not. But that doesn't keep folks from trying.

wellididntknowthat

>impose thier religion and values on other people in other lands.<

Strange but the only people I've had at my door looking to convert anyone have been pasty faced, besuited American youths. Perhaps we should turn back those seeking to impose their culture and religion on us.

Anya

Minarets are ugly and make an ugly sound, plus foreign to the culture of Switzerland. More than enough reasons to not build them. Nobody stops Muslims from having mosques, so don't scream racism.

Judyrem

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...9-7583,00.html I thougth this was very interesting.

Bitter

Judyrem: Thanks for the article. From it: "The vast majority, it goes without saying, are law-abiding citizens. But there is a link between uncontrolled Muslim immigration and terrorism."

I guess that makes the author a racist too.

wellididn't: Those pasty kids are annoying, but they aren't likely going to advocate violence if you draw a picture of their Savior.

Meanwhile, Larry David is under criticism, but is still very much alive, after having peed on a picture of Jesus.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...rinates-jesus/

Poohgirl

Not only do those pasty-faced suits bother you at home, they stop you on the street, too. They make me nostalgic for the Jehovah's Witnesses - they were never as bad (at least where I live). Every weekend in July the city where I live hosts national or regional JW conventions, and in my personal experience they have never been nearly as bad as the Mormon missionaries. In fact, it's been a couple years since I've heard anyone complain about JWs. For MMs, it's been maybe three weeks.