Rugby World Cup - is your team playing?
Oct 31st, 2015, 10:37 AM
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Farrermog,
As a Scotsman, I resent your reference to us, Jocks": it is akin to calling someone, "mick", or "Paki".
As to your other comment re the Australia match, I do agree the Australians played the better rugby; however, the fact is that Scotland would have won that game if it hadn't been for refereeing errors; please at least acknowledge that rather than indulging in demeaning the efforts of the Scotland team.
Thank you!
As a Scotsman, I resent your reference to us, Jocks": it is akin to calling someone, "mick", or "Paki".
As to your other comment re the Australia match, I do agree the Australians played the better rugby; however, the fact is that Scotland would have won that game if it hadn't been for refereeing errors; please at least acknowledge that rather than indulging in demeaning the efforts of the Scotland team.
Thank you!
Oct 31st, 2015, 12:02 PM
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The NZ team too good in a match played true to form and providing a fitting send off to some of the greats of the game.
Apologies to anyone who shares my heritage and inappropriate colouring for the great antipodean outdoors who is offended by what jtpj has highlighted.
Apologies to anyone who shares my heritage and inappropriate colouring for the great antipodean outdoors who is offended by what jtpj has highlighted.
Oct 31st, 2015, 01:22 PM
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no comments on the final, jtpj777? your reaction to farmer's comment seems a bit extreme to me and I certainly don't see "Jock" as being derogatory.
anyway, back to the final - great match after the first 30 mins which were about like watching 2 great armies circling each other before hostilities commenced.
Congrats to all you kiwis out there - the best team definitely won. The first team to win three times and to win twice in a row.
now the challenge for the other nations is to stop you winning next time.
anyway, back to the final - great match after the first 30 mins which were about like watching 2 great armies circling each other before hostilities commenced.
Congrats to all you kiwis out there - the best team definitely won. The first team to win three times and to win twice in a row.
now the challenge for the other nations is to stop you winning next time.
Oct 31st, 2015, 02:02 PM
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And 2 hakas annhig! Onto cricket now>>
yep - the 3rd test v Pakistan starts tomorrow morning. I am hoping that we can level the series; though we had a moral victory in the first match, that won't count in the record books.
yep - the 3rd test v Pakistan starts tomorrow morning. I am hoping that we can level the series; though we had a moral victory in the first match, that won't count in the record books.
Oct 31st, 2015, 08:18 PM
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Annhig
Well done to NZ, by far the best team in the tournament and a great game to watch.
PS I believe farrermog's use of the term, "Jock" was meant to be derogatory. I am assuming he was miffed by the knowledge that Scotland should have really won against Australia, so had to indulge in demeaning both the Scottish team ( they shouldn't have beaten Samoa) and Scottish supporters (they moaned at losing owing to refereeing errors). He should try reading some of the newspaper accounts of the final: it is full of comments from disgruntled Australians whinging about "forward passes" and " crossing" etc, before he condemns one set of supports over any others.
No doubt Australia will be in many future RWC semi finals and finals. Unfortunately, the same will not be true for Scotland. Some appreciation of that fact would have been gracious.
Well done to NZ, by far the best team in the tournament and a great game to watch.
PS I believe farrermog's use of the term, "Jock" was meant to be derogatory. I am assuming he was miffed by the knowledge that Scotland should have really won against Australia, so had to indulge in demeaning both the Scottish team ( they shouldn't have beaten Samoa) and Scottish supporters (they moaned at losing owing to refereeing errors). He should try reading some of the newspaper accounts of the final: it is full of comments from disgruntled Australians whinging about "forward passes" and " crossing" etc, before he condemns one set of supports over any others.
No doubt Australia will be in many future RWC semi finals and finals. Unfortunately, the same will not be true for Scotland. Some appreciation of that fact would have been gracious.
Oct 31st, 2015, 08:38 PM
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Well done the All Blacks. My Aussie husband has a very long face and doesn't appreciate me supporting the Kiwis. I am keeping quiet about it.
His Scottish friend is still upset about that Scotland/Australia game and has called twice to engage my husband in "conversation" about it,in fact he said if the two of them had watched it together they would have ended up rolling around on the floor pounding each other. lol
Both of them played for their respective countries as juniors and my husband played with Nick Farr-Jones.
His Scottish friend is still upset about that Scotland/Australia game and has called twice to engage my husband in "conversation" about it,in fact he said if the two of them had watched it together they would have ended up rolling around on the floor pounding each other. lol
Both of them played for their respective countries as juniors and my husband played with Nick Farr-Jones.
Oct 31st, 2015, 11:28 PM
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PS I believe farrermog's use of the term, "Jock" was meant to be derogatory>>
well, jptj, if you think THAT was derogatory, just as well you weren't at Brisbane during the last test series. Though the locals sitting near us were utterly charming on an individual basis, being in the middle of 80,000 Aussies [am I allowed to called them that?] yelling "Broadie is a wanker" every time he went anywhere near the ball was not pleasant.
I quite understand why you feel aggrieved about the result of the match but IMO, the reason your team lost was that just like my team, [England] they lost their heads in the last 10 minutes, whereas Australia kept theirs. That's what great teams do. Did you hear the post match interview with Johnny Wilkinson? I thought that he talked a lot of sense saying that teams that want to beat the best have to look at what the best do, and do it better. NZ could have panicked when their 19 point lead was cut to 4, but they just kept on doing what NZ teams do, knowing that their chance would come, and when it did, they grabbed it with both hands. Literally.
raincitygirl - he'll get over it. Just mention the Ashes if you want to enrage him a bit more. BTW, does his aggrieved Scottish friend go under the fodors moniker of jptj777, by any chance?
well, jptj, if you think THAT was derogatory, just as well you weren't at Brisbane during the last test series. Though the locals sitting near us were utterly charming on an individual basis, being in the middle of 80,000 Aussies [am I allowed to called them that?] yelling "Broadie is a wanker" every time he went anywhere near the ball was not pleasant.
I quite understand why you feel aggrieved about the result of the match but IMO, the reason your team lost was that just like my team, [England] they lost their heads in the last 10 minutes, whereas Australia kept theirs. That's what great teams do. Did you hear the post match interview with Johnny Wilkinson? I thought that he talked a lot of sense saying that teams that want to beat the best have to look at what the best do, and do it better. NZ could have panicked when their 19 point lead was cut to 4, but they just kept on doing what NZ teams do, knowing that their chance would come, and when it did, they grabbed it with both hands. Literally.
raincitygirl - he'll get over it. Just mention the Ashes if you want to enrage him a bit more. BTW, does his aggrieved Scottish friend go under the fodors moniker of jptj777, by any chance?
Nov 1st, 2015, 01:01 AM
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Perhaps some Scots are aggrieved the NZ win has denied them the chance to take the ultimate umbrage.
Caution: the following article may be upsetting to some readers -
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/ru...0151022-gkgi8e
Caution: the following article may be upsetting to some readers -
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/ru...0151022-gkgi8e
Nov 1st, 2015, 01:12 AM
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It's been a wonderful tournament. Right at the beginning, I said New Zealand would win. Yesterday, I turned coat and shouted for Australia, but, truly, New Zealand are simply outstanding.
I wish the last three minutes of our match against Australia had gone better, but I don't blame Australia for that. No-one became a sporting great by dwelling on the "might have been"s
I wish the last three minutes of our match against Australia had gone better, but I don't blame Australia for that. No-one became a sporting great by dwelling on the "might have been"s
Nov 1st, 2015, 01:15 AM
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Sonny Bill Williams is a real star. He gave his medal to a 14 year old boy.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...4-year-old-fan
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...4-year-old-fan
Nov 1st, 2015, 01:32 AM
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Perhaps some Scots are aggrieved the NZ win has denied them the chance to take the ultimate umbrage.>>
Farremog - the ultimate umbrage [great phrase] in this house is the disallowing of Mark Cueto's try in the 2007 final v SA. it cropped up in conversation last night while we were watching the final. We was robbed!
Hets - that's a great thing for Sonny Bill to have done. The grinch might suggest that it will encourage others to do the same, but still, a lovely gesture.
Farremog - the ultimate umbrage [great phrase] in this house is the disallowing of Mark Cueto's try in the 2007 final v SA. it cropped up in conversation last night while we were watching the final. We was robbed!
Hets - that's a great thing for Sonny Bill to have done. The grinch might suggest that it will encourage others to do the same, but still, a lovely gesture.
Nov 1st, 2015, 01:42 AM
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Today I learnt that "Jock" is derogatory along the same lines as "Paki" - Who knew?
My 15yo niece is beside herself with the All Black victory - she has this thing about Dan Carter - I don't think there is an inch of her bedroom wall not covered with pictures of Mr Carter or his teammates.
This is politically mildly interesting as she is a South African or mixed race (or a Cape Coloured as she would call herself), and they traditionally support the All Blacks rather than the Springboks as South African rugby is very much seen as the last bastion of Afrikaanerdom.
Overall, the World Cup left me rather cold apart from Japan v SA. Japan deserved better than playing the two top seeds in their group within 5 days, and then losing any chance of qualification when Scotland playing their B side against SA. That manipulation by the Scots left a sour taste that meant I had little sympathy for their exit on dubious refereeing - even though I realise any side would have done the same thing.
NZ were undoubtably the best side in the tournament and deserved to win, but there too many mismatches for me to truely enjoy the tournament. Maybe we could enter the next WC as the GB and Irish Lions, at least we would be competetive.
My 15yo niece is beside herself with the All Black victory - she has this thing about Dan Carter - I don't think there is an inch of her bedroom wall not covered with pictures of Mr Carter or his teammates.
This is politically mildly interesting as she is a South African or mixed race (or a Cape Coloured as she would call herself), and they traditionally support the All Blacks rather than the Springboks as South African rugby is very much seen as the last bastion of Afrikaanerdom.
Overall, the World Cup left me rather cold apart from Japan v SA. Japan deserved better than playing the two top seeds in their group within 5 days, and then losing any chance of qualification when Scotland playing their B side against SA. That manipulation by the Scots left a sour taste that meant I had little sympathy for their exit on dubious refereeing - even though I realise any side would have done the same thing.
NZ were undoubtably the best side in the tournament and deserved to win, but there too many mismatches for me to truely enjoy the tournament. Maybe we could enter the next WC as the GB and Irish Lions, at least we would be competetive.
Nov 1st, 2015, 02:37 AM
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Maybe we could enter the next WC as the GB and Irish Lions, at least we would be competitive.>>
As it happens, willit, the next lions tour is to NZ in 2017. That might give us an idea of whether your suggestion would indeed help the home Nations to win the WC again, or not!
unlikely that they would agree however - though I hope that they would never be so mean as to prevent one nation that qualified for a tournament competing, as the Scots and welsh FAs have in preventing the English girls from going to Rio as the GB team. [though in fact Scots, Welsh and NI women could have been picked if they'd been good enough].
As for mismatches, some didn't materialise [Japan v SA for example] and some were unpredictable - NZ v France in the QF being a case in point. In retrospect, Japan had a hard draw, but no harder than England's, which was wholly predictable.
So much for the host country getting everything its own way.
BTW, a young english [female] friend of ours is Dan Carter mad too - and was thrilled when we managed to get her and her dad tickets for the last NZ v England Match for her dad's birthday. if I were 40 years younger, I too might have posters of him on MY wall.
As it happens, willit, the next lions tour is to NZ in 2017. That might give us an idea of whether your suggestion would indeed help the home Nations to win the WC again, or not!
unlikely that they would agree however - though I hope that they would never be so mean as to prevent one nation that qualified for a tournament competing, as the Scots and welsh FAs have in preventing the English girls from going to Rio as the GB team. [though in fact Scots, Welsh and NI women could have been picked if they'd been good enough].
As for mismatches, some didn't materialise [Japan v SA for example] and some were unpredictable - NZ v France in the QF being a case in point. In retrospect, Japan had a hard draw, but no harder than England's, which was wholly predictable.
So much for the host country getting everything its own way.
BTW, a young english [female] friend of ours is Dan Carter mad too - and was thrilled when we managed to get her and her dad tickets for the last NZ v England Match for her dad's birthday. if I were 40 years younger, I too might have posters of him on MY wall.
Nov 1st, 2015, 03:28 AM
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Annhig, Willit - the reason <i>you</i> are not offended by that pejorative term for Scots is that <i>you</i> aren't the target of it... Perhaps Farrermog and other who think it's just "banter" would care to use it as a form of greeting when wandering through George Square late on a Saturday night to gauge local reaction.
