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Hotel prices vary depending on lots of things, but partly how "nice" they are. I don't know how else to state it. Both those are in the same location, so real estate isn't the issue (which does affect prices a lot). A 4* hotel will cost more than a 2*, of course. Some people claim those ratings don't affect how nice a hotel is, but I don't agree with that. On average, I think they do. I usually stay a 3* hotels, for example, and they almost all are nicer than the 2* hotels I've stayed at.
The Clement is a lower class hotel than the Madison, that's why it is cheaper, and certainly 4* hotels. The Clement is only a 2* hotel. I haven't stayed in it, but often the difference in quality is size of rooms, and general quality of furniture and extras (ie, toiletries, etc), quality of mattress,etc. I don't know what hotels you are comparing its prices to, I thought they were about the same as the Muguet, but might be wrong on that. Photos are often nicer than actual hotel rooms, also.
But if it looks okay, in October you don't have to worry about AC (it has AC but sometimes in cheaper hotels it isn't turned on that much or doesn't work so well IME), and it gives the room size so at least you know that. The jr suite sounds decent size, but is not the size of most suites, just the size of a good-size double room (18 m2). A lot of suites would be more like 22 m2. I notice the Clement's doubles are only 10 m2, which is probably one reason they are only a 2*, I think that is below the 3* standards. I've never been in a Paris double hotel room that small.
The Clement is a lower class hotel than the Madison, that's why it is cheaper, and certainly 4* hotels. The Clement is only a 2* hotel. I haven't stayed in it, but often the difference in quality is size of rooms, and general quality of furniture and extras (ie, toiletries, etc), quality of mattress,etc. I don't know what hotels you are comparing its prices to, I thought they were about the same as the Muguet, but might be wrong on that. Photos are often nicer than actual hotel rooms, also.
But if it looks okay, in October you don't have to worry about AC (it has AC but sometimes in cheaper hotels it isn't turned on that much or doesn't work so well IME), and it gives the room size so at least you know that. The jr suite sounds decent size, but is not the size of most suites, just the size of a good-size double room (18 m2). A lot of suites would be more like 22 m2. I notice the Clement's doubles are only 10 m2, which is probably one reason they are only a 2*, I think that is below the 3* standards. I've never been in a Paris double hotel room that small.
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Yes, I know where the Delavigne is. It's about a 15 minute walk east of the Hotel Clement which is getting you further away from Bus#95. I really think that the Hotel Clement will be best for you, if the Madison is over your budget. Remember, I did this with my late 70s mom. I had also stayed at the hotel before I took her. And by staying at the Clement, as I pointed out, you'll be close to both the buses on Blvd. St.Germain, the buses on Place St.Suplice on the rue St.Suplice, and the rue de Rennes/rue Bonaparte buses.
The rooms at the Hotel Clement aren't huge or anything, but that's Paris. I got a room, with 2 separate beds in it and facing the street. The year before I took my mom, a friend came with me to Paris and it just so happened that I ended up with the same room on both trips. I've also had rooms facing the back of the hotel, but prefer the front. I always pack white, foam earplugs whenever going to Paris. But, I didn't have any severe noise issues at the Clement. Two other friends of mine have also stayed at the Clement with me and one of them has stayed three times, the third time taking her three sisters to Paris with her and footing the whole bill, and booking them into the Clement. So, it's a good 2-star.
Also, if you don't want to have breakfast at the hotel, there's a cafe just a block up the street on the corner of rue de Seine and Blvd. St.Germain. There are other cafes on Blvd. St.Germain,too. And there are plenty of restaurants in the area if she is tired at the end of the day and can't go much further. And there's a great bakery half a block down the street on rue de Seine, right before rue St. Suplice.
If you end up in this neighborhood, then later I'll post some restaurant locations etc. Happy Travels!
The rooms at the Hotel Clement aren't huge or anything, but that's Paris. I got a room, with 2 separate beds in it and facing the street. The year before I took my mom, a friend came with me to Paris and it just so happened that I ended up with the same room on both trips. I've also had rooms facing the back of the hotel, but prefer the front. I always pack white, foam earplugs whenever going to Paris. But, I didn't have any severe noise issues at the Clement. Two other friends of mine have also stayed at the Clement with me and one of them has stayed three times, the third time taking her three sisters to Paris with her and footing the whole bill, and booking them into the Clement. So, it's a good 2-star.
Also, if you don't want to have breakfast at the hotel, there's a cafe just a block up the street on the corner of rue de Seine and Blvd. St.Germain. There are other cafes on Blvd. St.Germain,too. And there are plenty of restaurants in the area if she is tired at the end of the day and can't go much further. And there's a great bakery half a block down the street on rue de Seine, right before rue St. Suplice.
If you end up in this neighborhood, then later I'll post some restaurant locations etc. Happy Travels!
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Very nearby the Clement area is rue Gregoire de Tours. It is a restaurant street and the restaurant part of that 2 block street is between Blvd. St.Germain and rue de Buci. It's a narrow street with all types of restaurants. They are nothing fancy, but at least it's food close by. My Japanese friends owned a delicious restaurant on that block for more than a decade and then retired and went back to Japan a few years ago. That's why I know the street so well. The restaurants there can be ever changing. The spot where my Japanese friends had their restaurant has changed restaurants at least twice since around 2005.
There are also restaurants on rue de Seine, north of Blvd. St. Germain. Rue de Seine is a half block from the Hotel Clement as it crosses rue Clement. There's the very nice and reasonable restaurant called Le Temps de Perdu (sp?) at 52 rue de Seine and directly across the street is a very popular restaurant called, "Fish".
I've eaten at Le Temps de Perdu for well over a decade and it's still good. I ate there again twice recently. And of course there are other restaurants in that area. Just walk and look. Just remember to either make restaurant reservations or arrive without one at 7PM when many open for dinner. I never make reservations, but always arrive early and take a chance.
And almost next to Le Temps de Perdu is the Cosi bar that has good sandwiches. My best Parisian friend and I used grab a quick bite there regularly as she was a hotel manager on that street and didn't have a lot of time for lunch. So, if you need a light bite, then that's an option.
And around the corner, from the above mentioned area is rue de Buci and there's at least one deli there. My mom would go into the deli and point at what she wanted and then they'd wrap it up and she could eat it at the hotel. We packed plastic eating utensils. So, I was just creative and flexible with my mom's eating situation.
Also on Blvd. St Germain between rue de Seine and the Church of St.Germain and on the north side of the street, there are a few places. There was one small place in that stretch, can't remember the name of it, that my mom and I stopped at one evening because she was really hungry. So, we took a chance and she said the food was delicious. The waitress was so nice. There are some things that my mom can't eat which is common with older people, so the waitress worked around that. I remember my mom being brought a huge lettuce,tomato, and other vegetable salad with her meal and she was so happy to see salad. We're from L.A. area and eat a lot of salad. I'm sure you can find the place by process of elimination. It was small and had one or two tables out front. On that block, there's also a big, cafe type of place, with a big glass window in the front. I've eaten there and it's quite good. It's a few steps from the above mentioned place.
It was funny as the day after my mom had eaten there, I slipped out alone to grab an omelette and some fries at the cafe on the corner of rue de Seine and Blvd. St. Germain and noticed the waitress from the other place walking by. She saw me and walked over to me at the cafe and smilingly said, "Where's mama today?" I told her that mama was tired and at the Hotel Clement taking a nap. She said for us to drop by her place anytime and she'd try to have the food prepared that "mama" could eat.
There's also Leon of Brussels restaurant which is quite popular. It's very close to the Hotel Clement. I took my mom there first, on arrival day. The menu has a large variety of items.
And there's the big grocery store,right on the rue de Seine between Blvd. St.Germain and rue de Buci. The grocery store is a saver as they carry packaged sandwiches etc.. We put together quite a few light meals, in a pinch and ate them in the hotel room. But, we packed small plastic trash bags and used them to throw out stuff. Hotels can at times frown on food in the room although we had no problem. But, we had the plastic bags and properly disposed of the trash.
Also a few steps away from Hotel Clement are some good restaurants. On the corner there's the very popular pizza restaurant and a few steps around the corner there's a Chinese restaurant. We ate there. And there are many others in that immediate area. Plus, directly across the street from the Hotel Clement is the Marche St.Germain which is an arcade of stores and there's a restaurant or two inside there along with a little grocery place if you need to pick up bottled water and a few other such items.
So, you just have to walk the area and take mental notes of what's around. Of course there are lots of other restaurants in the district, but I've tried mapping out the ones "near" the hotel and within a max of a 10 minute walk away. Happy Travels!
There are also restaurants on rue de Seine, north of Blvd. St. Germain. Rue de Seine is a half block from the Hotel Clement as it crosses rue Clement. There's the very nice and reasonable restaurant called Le Temps de Perdu (sp?) at 52 rue de Seine and directly across the street is a very popular restaurant called, "Fish".
I've eaten at Le Temps de Perdu for well over a decade and it's still good. I ate there again twice recently. And of course there are other restaurants in that area. Just walk and look. Just remember to either make restaurant reservations or arrive without one at 7PM when many open for dinner. I never make reservations, but always arrive early and take a chance.
And almost next to Le Temps de Perdu is the Cosi bar that has good sandwiches. My best Parisian friend and I used grab a quick bite there regularly as she was a hotel manager on that street and didn't have a lot of time for lunch. So, if you need a light bite, then that's an option.
And around the corner, from the above mentioned area is rue de Buci and there's at least one deli there. My mom would go into the deli and point at what she wanted and then they'd wrap it up and she could eat it at the hotel. We packed plastic eating utensils. So, I was just creative and flexible with my mom's eating situation.
Also on Blvd. St Germain between rue de Seine and the Church of St.Germain and on the north side of the street, there are a few places. There was one small place in that stretch, can't remember the name of it, that my mom and I stopped at one evening because she was really hungry. So, we took a chance and she said the food was delicious. The waitress was so nice. There are some things that my mom can't eat which is common with older people, so the waitress worked around that. I remember my mom being brought a huge lettuce,tomato, and other vegetable salad with her meal and she was so happy to see salad. We're from L.A. area and eat a lot of salad. I'm sure you can find the place by process of elimination. It was small and had one or two tables out front. On that block, there's also a big, cafe type of place, with a big glass window in the front. I've eaten there and it's quite good. It's a few steps from the above mentioned place.
It was funny as the day after my mom had eaten there, I slipped out alone to grab an omelette and some fries at the cafe on the corner of rue de Seine and Blvd. St. Germain and noticed the waitress from the other place walking by. She saw me and walked over to me at the cafe and smilingly said, "Where's mama today?" I told her that mama was tired and at the Hotel Clement taking a nap. She said for us to drop by her place anytime and she'd try to have the food prepared that "mama" could eat.
There's also Leon of Brussels restaurant which is quite popular. It's very close to the Hotel Clement. I took my mom there first, on arrival day. The menu has a large variety of items.
And there's the big grocery store,right on the rue de Seine between Blvd. St.Germain and rue de Buci. The grocery store is a saver as they carry packaged sandwiches etc.. We put together quite a few light meals, in a pinch and ate them in the hotel room. But, we packed small plastic trash bags and used them to throw out stuff. Hotels can at times frown on food in the room although we had no problem. But, we had the plastic bags and properly disposed of the trash.
Also a few steps away from Hotel Clement are some good restaurants. On the corner there's the very popular pizza restaurant and a few steps around the corner there's a Chinese restaurant. We ate there. And there are many others in that immediate area. Plus, directly across the street from the Hotel Clement is the Marche St.Germain which is an arcade of stores and there's a restaurant or two inside there along with a little grocery place if you need to pick up bottled water and a few other such items.
So, you just have to walk the area and take mental notes of what's around. Of course there are lots of other restaurants in the district, but I've tried mapping out the ones "near" the hotel and within a max of a 10 minute walk away. Happy Travels!
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Wow, thank you so much for the information!
So is that the norm that restaurants don't open for dinner until 7pm?
We were thinking of taking the option of breakfast at the hotel we chose, just to have that option.
We want to eat light & less for lunch & casual for dinners.
I have a real sweet tooth, so I'm excited about pastries & desserts!
I think we will be doing a lot of pointing like your Mom, lol!
Thank You so much!
So is that the norm that restaurants don't open for dinner until 7pm?
We were thinking of taking the option of breakfast at the hotel we chose, just to have that option.
We want to eat light & less for lunch & casual for dinners.
I have a real sweet tooth, so I'm excited about pastries & desserts!
I think we will be doing a lot of pointing like your Mom, lol!
Thank You so much!
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If you have a sweet tooth, Paul is at the corner of rue de Sien and rue Buci!There' is also a laundromat if you need to wash things. If you get tired of French food there is an excellent Italian, Del Papa , at the corner of rue de Buci and Blvd St Germaine. OPersonally I'd skip Leon, worst mussels I've ever had!
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I was just signing on to recommend the Madison when I saw that Guenmai already had. I have found much lower prices through expedia.com for the Madison than I have going through the hotel's own website, so you might try that to see if you can get a better price.
You really can't beat the location, especially for someone with mobility issues; lots of buses, and plenty of shops and restaurants all around.
You really can't beat the location, especially for someone with mobility issues; lots of buses, and plenty of shops and restaurants all around.
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As for Leon de Brussels, my mom and I didn't have mussels. She doesn't eat mussels. We had fish filet. I love mussels, but haven't had any as good as all the years that I had them in Flanders/Belgium. My Flemish friends and I would cook them at their house.
As for a laundromat, it's right on rue de Seine, between rue de Buci and rue Jacob and on the west side of the street. It's next to Cosi.
Rue de Buci is going through some construction changes. I was just there, at my rented apartment which is a few steps away, and very unfortunately the old bakery that has been there ever since I first stayed in that neighborhood, around 81, has now been taken out and construction was going on. The bakery was still there in both April 2009 and August 2009. But, I think the space will now be a candy store of some sort. That bakery was the best and Hotel de Seine, where I stayed 9 years, got its croissants and baguettes there for their morning breakfast. So, Paul, has taken over the area and I'm personally not fond of Paul. I guess I'll have to start going to either Gerard Mulot or all the way to Poilane, which i love.
There is another place, on rue de Buci, that's a food place, but one has to walk all the way to the back to get to the baked goods. I tried them and they were just OK. I don't remember the name of it as the street is changing. Happy Travels!
As for a laundromat, it's right on rue de Seine, between rue de Buci and rue Jacob and on the west side of the street. It's next to Cosi.
Rue de Buci is going through some construction changes. I was just there, at my rented apartment which is a few steps away, and very unfortunately the old bakery that has been there ever since I first stayed in that neighborhood, around 81, has now been taken out and construction was going on. The bakery was still there in both April 2009 and August 2009. But, I think the space will now be a candy store of some sort. That bakery was the best and Hotel de Seine, where I stayed 9 years, got its croissants and baguettes there for their morning breakfast. So, Paul, has taken over the area and I'm personally not fond of Paul. I guess I'll have to start going to either Gerard Mulot or all the way to Poilane, which i love.
There is another place, on rue de Buci, that's a food place, but one has to walk all the way to the back to get to the baked goods. I tried them and they were just OK. I don't remember the name of it as the street is changing. Happy Travels!
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Reese: As for restaurant times, yes, dinner is late. When my friend and I ate at Le Temps de Perdu, we arrived at 7PM, not too difficult as it's attached to the apartment building. When we walked in, the first evening, there was only one other table occupied. I like arriving at opening as then I can get my order in as it can take half an hour to get food at Parisian restaurants.
My Parisian friend who went with me and the other friend to Le Temps de Perdu, the second night that we went, was telling me that he and some friends had gone out the weekend before to another restaurant and after an hour of not getting any food, they left and went home. So, it takes patience.
At 8PM, the restaurant was jam packed, but our food was on the table by 7:30PM. The others I'm sure had a longer wait. So, if you want to make sure to get into a place, then I'd suggest making a reservation and also if you want the food faster, to make it at opening. Arriving at opening has been my system for decades and it's worked out quite well. Happy Travels!
My Parisian friend who went with me and the other friend to Le Temps de Perdu, the second night that we went, was telling me that he and some friends had gone out the weekend before to another restaurant and after an hour of not getting any food, they left and went home. So, it takes patience.
At 8PM, the restaurant was jam packed, but our food was on the table by 7:30PM. The others I'm sure had a longer wait. So, if you want to make sure to get into a place, then I'd suggest making a reservation and also if you want the food faster, to make it at opening. Arriving at opening has been my system for decades and it's worked out quite well. Happy Travels!
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I understand eating early, as here at home during the work week, I eat at around 4:30PM and then I'm finished with eating. So, my stomach starts to really growl around that time. LOL!
Also, regarding food, if you're out and about and hunger hits and you're near either Galeries Lafayette or Printemps departments stores, they have very nice cafeterias inside. My mom got really hungry one day in the middle of Galeries Lafayette, so I took her up to the cafeteria and she was more than happy with the food. Plus, she could then select what she can eat. As you are two people, one can hold the table and the other can get food first and then vice versa. That's what we did as it gets crowded and tables fill up quickly. So, that's another food option. I've also eaten many times in the cafeterias while traveling alone. It's a quick, hardy bite. Happy Travels!
Also, regarding food, if you're out and about and hunger hits and you're near either Galeries Lafayette or Printemps departments stores, they have very nice cafeterias inside. My mom got really hungry one day in the middle of Galeries Lafayette, so I took her up to the cafeteria and she was more than happy with the food. Plus, she could then select what she can eat. As you are two people, one can hold the table and the other can get food first and then vice versa. That's what we did as it gets crowded and tables fill up quickly. So, that's another food option. I've also eaten many times in the cafeterias while traveling alone. It's a quick, hardy bite. Happy Travels!
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A friend of mine stayed once in the Grand Hotel Saint Michel. It is a 4-star, it has lift and is located in the Latin Quarter: there are many bus stop and it is very convenient to access every tourist area from that district.
http://www.grandhotelstmichel-paris.com
http://www.grandhotelstmichel-paris.com
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