Human trafficking in Europe?

May 30th, 2010, 08:44 AM
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If you want to carry this interest from motion pictures into
fiction you should read both Donna Leon and Andrea Camilleri.

Both authors use the subject of human trafficking in Italy -
Leon's women come from Eastern Europe and Camilleri's
children from Tunisia. Horrifying scenerios even when
fictional and I've no doubt they're based on actual cases.
Certainly, there are young African girls on the highways
and byways of Italy that cannot have chosen their fate.
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May 30th, 2010, 08:48 AM
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This really happens in our backyard, and also with young children now. The outside of Ohio and Tijuana are gateways to young trafficking. Where kids from all over South America are smuggled inside the USA. I've been in Tijuana several times with my children, but I keep a very close eye on them. I've visited several Orphanages with donations and I've heard stories about some of their survival.

20/20 had a show last year with some undercover Spanish women showing how awful is the human trafficking along the Mexican border. These immigrants pay the Coyotes, that happen to be trafficking and they basically get sold as prostitutes, or the men are captures after their families who have no money have to pay, as they usually can't pay, the woman explain they are killed and chop in pieces.

Life is WORSE than MOVIES.

Watch Garden of the Nights!/

Read the book
Half the Sky Nicholas D. Kristof!/kristof?ref=ts

I watched Garden of the Nights about our backyard and Taken and unless you've not been involved you would be unaware that this really happens around you.

Most of the girls are from the Middle East, like Russia, Russian are the most corrupt mafia in this regard. These young women are promised good jobs here in the USA and they travel alone, once here they get their passports taken and they are their owners expense, literally.

HBO has a show "Which way Home", about children who travel alone from South America on top of trains, to get to a better life or to find their parents who have left for the USA years before. Some of these kids as young as 8 get kidnapped and killed by Human trafficking.
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May 30th, 2010, 08:52 AM
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Which way home, here is some links

" Let's say you get to a southern city like Tapachula, there's a network of smugglers that may help you or help transport you north, maybe through buses or cars or vans. Let's say you don't have the money to pay them to take you - you basically wait for freight trains. You cross the border at Tapachula, you walk eight to ten days to get to Arriaga and there you wait for the train.

Now, once you get on a freight train, there's any number of things that could happen to you; you could have a relatively safe journey or you can fall under the train wheels and be decapitated, cut in half or have legs or arms cut off; you could be robbed from gangs or from corrupt police officials. There's any number of pretty horrible experiences that one can have along the train route. "
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May 30th, 2010, 09:10 AM
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There was an article in the Guardian about trafficking after a large scale police operation conducted by the UK to combat trafficking.

I don't know about the rest of Europe, but prostitution is more or less legal in Germany. That means that people owning brothels can make a lot of money with few problems with the law.

I might be missing something, but it doesn't seem very logical that people in such a situation would get into a criminal activity as kidnapping American tourists. This would certainly trigger police investigations and would carry high penalties for anyone caught. The alternative is that they exploit the huge wealth gap between Western Europe and Eastern Europe or some of the Asian countries.

With this I don't mean that there aren't criminal activities or exploitation. Many of the women are illegal immigrants and are thus very open to exploitation.
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Nov 9th, 2010, 01:12 AM
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All of you are just guessing and assuming things.

Actually my friend(from Canada) did an exchange program at Oxford years ago and she got approached by a guy while she was walking around the city(end of the busy street) alone. That guy asked her where she's from, where's she staying, what's her number and know, just to get a lot of information from her. My friend got kind of scared and she tried to walk back to the busy streets to find a cop. That guy noticed that and he said goodbye to her and told her that hopefully they will meet again. As he walked away, my friend heard him talking on his cell in some other language, but she didn't take much notice about it. After a long while, she walked back to end of the street again because she thought that creepy guy will be gone by then. But when she walked back, she saw that guy with another guy in the car, and she freaked out and ran back to the center of the city.

I know the story might sound absurd to most of you, but these things happen more often than you think. I believe the movie did base loosely on some true events.
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Nov 9th, 2010, 02:47 AM
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"I know the story might sound absurd to most of you"

Girl gets chatted up by foreigner in Oxford? What could possibly be absurd about that?

But here's something that's REALLY absurd: Someone assumes foreigner chatting up a girl in Oxford must be in the sex business. Clearly never stood outside Blackfriars after Sunday Mass.
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Nov 9th, 2010, 03:21 AM
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"did an exchange program at Oxford years ago "

"what's her number and facebook"

Obvious thing to do "years ago" - ask for Facebook info. Doubly so if they are in the White Slave Trade
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Nov 9th, 2010, 03:22 AM
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I could also mention the sheer weirdness of a first time poster picking an old and obscure thread
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Nov 9th, 2010, 04:54 AM
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as someone who, as a student, found chatting up young American female tourists a very effective way to pass an afternoon I struggle to see the problem, still, happy days
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Nov 9th, 2010, 05:01 AM
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So that was you.
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Nov 9th, 2010, 08:41 AM
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I think I'll use that anecdote as the basis of my next bit of fiction for my creative writing course.
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Nov 9th, 2010, 05:39 PM
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If you're asking in middle class, educated women are being kidnapped by the thousands around the world and sold into sex slavery - not a chance in hell!

There are poor women, often from countries with limited economic opportunity and often naive - who take jobs as nannies or maids and then find out that;s not what the job is. there are also a number of american women in Japan who went there to be "entertainers" and found out the entertainment expected is not what they imagined.

I thin the key is that these women are usually poor and naive - and walk into something they don;t expect - not that they are literally kidnapped.

And yes, if there were thousands of american women missing the whole world would be in an uproar.
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Sep 16th, 2012, 06:42 AM
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I'm not sure if this thread is still active, but here goes.

Yes, Cimbrone - the premise of this movie is very much a reality.

A family friend recently got married and the couple had their honeymoon in Italy. Her husband was waiting for her outside a shop while she was trying on clothes - and she never came out of that change room.

It sounds too frightening to be true and a lot of the time we have a "it won't happen to me" mentality. But it can and it does.
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Sep 16th, 2012, 07:08 AM
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So where is the link to the news stories that surely would have covered such a startling assault on a tourist? The family went to the US government for assistance, surely, if the woman was never seen again?

What part of Italy was this?

Any chance the bride had second thoughts and ran away?
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Sep 16th, 2012, 07:50 AM
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So where is the link to the news stories that surely would have covered such a startling assault on a tourist?

My thoughts exactly.
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Sep 16th, 2012, 09:49 AM
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Without specifics - this is simply an urban legend.

Please provide a link to the news story. Or did the husband just say - oh, well - she;s gone. Nothing I can do! May as well go home.

(Consider what happened when that young woman (Natalle Holloway?) went missing. There were a gazilion news stories around the world. Where are the stories about this one?
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Sep 16th, 2012, 10:06 AM
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Ann_Kay: Welcome to Fodors. I won't say you are lying - but some of us may be, shall we say, 'unconvinced' by your post. I haven't seen a news report in either the US or UK press about this 'kidnapping'.

Where in Italy?


Their nationalities?

Snopes is a good place to start
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Sep 16th, 2012, 10:23 PM
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Love snopes!

We have lived in Europe for the last 14 years and haven't heard of anything like the events depicted in Taken. We do, however, hear a lot about human trafficking esp. when we lived in Slovenia as it is a transit country. Young eastern European girls, esp. Ukrainian, Moldovan etc, are lured by job offers as hostesses, nannies etc. When the offer is accepted, the job turns out to be enslaved prostition.

It is sad and is a reality.
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Sep 18th, 2012, 02:31 AM
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Ann_Kay: Welcome to Fodors. I won't say you are lying.

I will.

Ann Kay - if this is true then the case needs as much publicity as possible and as she is a direct family friend you'll be able to tell us (so we can help spread the word):
What is the name of the girl? Where exactly was she kidnapped from? On which date? Links to news reports/campaigns?
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