Human trafficking in Europe?

Mar 12th, 2009, 08:48 PM
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Mar 12th, 2009, 09:19 PM
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Thanks, thursdaysd. The interviews are fascinating...a great way to learn how this trafficking actually takes place. So sad for these women.
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Mar 13th, 2009, 04:40 AM
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Here is another film about the subject of trafficking from eastern Europe. Considering that it is a Hollywood movie, I thought it was well done:
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Since there is a high statistical correlation between drug abuse and street level prostitution in the US, one assumes that the same thing applies in other countries (not ignoring poverty-based sexual slavery in eastern/southern Europe or Asia). Therefore the chances of a Western girl/woman with a serious heroin or crack jones finding herself prostituted are not zero, but I don't think it would be anything most people would have to worry about.
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Hi Cim,

I am far more concerned about young American women who are visiting Caribbean islands being lured out on dates and given rufies before being raped and murdered.

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Good morning Cibrone. I certainly didn't mean to be condescending... I only meant that your friend who you said was afraid to go to Europe might profit from going with you... I thought from your original post that you too were nervous to travel. Since you say you have lived in Europe, I'm curious as to why you would think this movie depicted reality for American tourists?
I still say that what the American entertainment industry exports to other countries gives a very poor view of life in the USA.
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Mar 13th, 2009, 09:27 AM
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kleroux, I didn't think it depicted reality. I thought that it MIGHT depict reality, that somehow I missed this situation in the news. I didn't think so, but I was just making sure. As I said above, to me the movie had the flavor of a fictionalized expose. Why that is so, I can't say for sure.

Actually, I have travelled with my friend to Mexico twice now, including to Zapatista territory and we have swam in waterfalls under the watchful eyes of machine gun-toting soldiers. I wasn't nervous at all. But my friend has not been to Europe and she thought the movie was depicting reality, and I watched it under that preconception--which has now been soundly squashed by more knowledgeable Fodorites.

I have every hope that my friend and I will travel to Europe together someday, and that I can protect her from all dangers...real and imagined.

Thanks for all the added links and responses.
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Mar 13th, 2009, 09:32 AM
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swam? swum? I think it's "swum." Me the English teacher...
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Swam. At least in the Queen's English.
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I was about to be scathing about that assertion and looked it up first. To my horror, it's right. Mt Webster's says "swum- old fashioned". Guess that's me, then
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swim - swam - swum. Traficking in Norway is Africans and Eastern Europeans. BTW to buy, but not to sell sex, is forbidden here since Jan 1st 2009
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Mar 13th, 2009, 01:22 PM
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thursday and sheila, I think you are confusing past perfect with past tense. It's "swum."

From a grammar website:

You use "swum" in the past perfect tense (with "have")

I have swum in the lake for the past 3 years. Correct.
I have swam in the lake for the past 3 years. Incorrect.

I swam in the lake yesterday. Correct.
I swum in the lake yesterday. Incorrect.
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Cimbrone - right. I missed the "have" which I wouldn't have used myself in that context.
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The unrealistic part of the movie is the father and the rescue. The part about the kidnapping is real. I speak from experience. I was a target in Nice. I loved the idea of touring France solo. However, my experience was earth shattering and I learned the word "carefree" needs to be exchanged with "caution." Of course, that applies to anywhere--even at home.
After a great month in Paris I headed down to Nice. I rented a terrace apartment in the Cimiez section. It was the wee hours. The lights were off and the window open. Some guys came up to the front on their mopeds. They did not know I was near the window. I overheard them talking, in french---about me. They mentioned "the American woman" and that they think my father has money in the US. They went on to say where I went during the day and what was in my garbage. Then they said how they can get in and where I slept.
I was so frightened. I called the woman I rented from. She and her son stayed with me my final days. They had a gun for protection. Perhaps my situation would have been a ransom thing. I don't know and I'm glad I never found out. I believe I was one of the lucky ones.
Human trafficking is very real. How can stats reflect true facts? How do they know what becomes of those who are never found? I agree that it probably happens less to US women than those in other countries. My husband and I know people involved in educating people about this and will ask around for additonal info.
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Cimbrone, I saw that movie and I don't blame you for questioning it's reality because I too was curious. It has nothing to do with being nervous about traveling (I have been to 24 countries in Europe and am currently planning a trip to Romania) but more about what is perhaps a sad reality.

I have read reports, and watched news stories, about human trafficking here in the US. In one program (maybe Dateline or 20/20, I don't remember) two Russian (I believe) women were lead to the US by false pretenses and forced into stripping and prostitution. They eventually escaped and were the ones telling their story. I imagine that if it happens here it can happen anywhere.

As mentioned above, I doubt thousands of young American women are captured in Western Europe because it would be too big of a story, but I have no basis to back up that assumption.

Here is an interesting website if you are curious:

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May 30th, 2010, 07:08 AM
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I just realized, I don't mean to dissuade you from traveling. After that experience, I continued to travel to France alone. I went to places where the people knew me. When going to villages, the hotel managers would hook me up with the right people and places. I followed the advice given in Fudors, etc (money belt, hotel safes, etc). When I walked and toured, I walked as though I knew where I was going. When leaving the hotels, I left flowers in the reception and tipped the maids, receptionists, etc. Perhaps it was overkill; but, then, I was a woman traveling alone. When returning, the people at these places always looked after me.
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I have swum in the lake for the past 3 years. Correct.
I have swam in the lake for the past 3 years. Incorrect.>>>

"Have swum" is not past perfect, it is present perfect. Past perfect would be "had swum."
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Have swum = present perfect
Had swum = past perfect

Here's some reading for anyone interested in human trafficking in Europe:

We have a fairly lively human trafficking trade right here in DC. Just get off the Gallery Place metro stop any weekend night and look around.
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May 30th, 2010, 07:54 AM
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Michael Moore has made a whole career out of making movies based on no facts at all. Taken is a documentary compared to his propaganda.
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May 30th, 2010, 08:58 AM
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I used to work in Hollywood and currently live in Eastern Europe in a country where personal watercraft are illegal because so many women were being trafficked on a daily (yes, daily) basis.

I also want to tell you that although Hollywood must add action and glamor to a movie to sell tickets, they do their homework. Obviously, the entirety of Liam Neeson's character in Taken is fiction. The only other part of the movie I would guess is fiction is the part where the women are paraded in a glass cage and bid on. However, I do not know for sure.

Unfortunately, due to the pendulemic propensity of man, many have made posts here that fly one way or another. Most have scoffed at the fact that you would even consider any part of a movie realistic which is unfortunate as Hollywood has made a strong shift (largely since James Cameron's painstaking attention to realistic details in Titanic) toward social and historical accuracy.

I think bilboburgler's succinct post above says it best. Most women who are trafficked are from poorer countries. However, I know of one instance first-hand of an Australian business woman who was almost trafficked in Italy. Fortunately, she understood Italian and fled the taxi under the guise of wanting to stop to buy cigarettes.

In the end, I would not recommend traveling in a taxi alone as a single woman regardless of where you come from. This is a business to these people. So, Eastern European or American, what they see is money, not race. And, the more you get away with something the more daring and cavalier you become (not caring about what embassy or force may be protecting this potential cash cow)...and these people have gotten away with a lot.
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