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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 10:40 AM
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I need to know the name of the french countryside. Im going blank.<BR>please reply.<BR> erniy
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 10:51 AM
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HI ERNIY,<BR> It's called &quot;la campagme&quot;..
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 11:02 AM
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Thank you!!!
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 11:06 AM
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A typo, no doubt... La campagNe...<BR><BR>but there is also another expression, &quot;la province&quot;, not to be confused with &quot;Provence&quot;, nor &quot;les provinces&quot;. As I understand it, &quot;la province&quot; might be vaguely construed to mean &quot;all the rest of France (excluding Paris)&quot; even though that includes cities and towns as well as actual rural areas. I think it gets translated, at various times, as &quot;out in the country&quot;, &quot;in the heartland&quot;, or &quot;out of the city&quot;.<BR><BR>I hope I am spitting back out some excessively rusty memory - - or something I lkearned wrong in the first place. Seems like I heard it (maybe not the first time) not too long ago, on an action of French in action&quot; from Professor Capretz.<BR><BR>Best wishes,<BR><BR>Rex<BR>[email protected]<BR>
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 11:17 AM
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There's also le paysage, which I think is closer to &quot;countryside,&quot; as opposed to just &quot;country&quot;(as in &quot;we're going to the country for a picnic).
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 11:34 AM
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<BR>Where's Eye Spy? She's the expert!!
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 11:54 AM
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Provence is an area SE in France, the provinces are the rest of france's countryside OUTSIDE the metropolitan areas.
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 01:12 PM
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Some confusion here. A few translations: <BR><BR>la campagne : the countryside<BR><BR>la province : all of France except for Paris (the &quot;sticks&quot; or the &quot;boondocks&quot; if you will - hence the English adjective provincial)<BR><BR>le paysage : the landscape<BR><BR>la Provence : an area in Southern France<BR><BR>Hope this helps,<BR>Andre
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 01:28 PM
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I think a nice name for the French countryside would be Kermit. And before any French Fodorites start attacking les roast beefs, perhaps we could rename the English countryside Ermintrude.
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 01:41 PM
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I'm not a French language expert, but I do know that both &quot;campagne&quot; and &quot;paysage&quot; mean <BR>&quot;countryside,&quot; but with different connotations. Which word you might use will depend upon precisely what you mean by &quot;countryside&quot; in context: the place where you may physically be, or go, or leave (la campagne), or the place you might see when you're there or might imagine, describe or depict (le paysage).
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 01:59 PM
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cmt,<BR><BR>With all due respect, paysage means landscape, NOT countryside. An urban landscape translates to &quot;un paysage urbain&quot;.<BR><BR>Andre
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 02:23 PM
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Was it The Three Sisters who were always complaining about being stuck out in the provinces....ah, but they were in Russia, weren't they?
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 02:34 PM
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I think we all really KNOW and agree about the meaning of &quot;paysage&quot; and of &quot;campagne&quot; in French and the only argument, IF any, may be a difference in our notions of the scope of the meaning of &quot;countryside&quot; in English, i.e., whether it encompasses scenery. In any event, I did just find &quot;countryside&quot; translated as BOTH &quot;campagne&quot; and &quot;paysage&quot; in dictionaries. I can't go copying enitire dictionary definitions here, but will post just a little. From Larousse Grand Dictionnaire unabridged (1998), here's the French for &quot;countryside&quot;: <BR><BR>campagne<BR><BR>[scenery] paysage<BR><BR>in the___ -- &agrave; la campagne<BR><BR>there is some magnificent____ around here -- il y a des paysages magnifiques par ici<BR><BR>And from Le Robert Micro (1998), the definitions of &quot;paysage&quot; include:<BR><BR>1. Partie d'un pays que peut voir un observateur. <BR><BR>2. Espace g&eacute;ographique d'un certain type<BR><BR>and for &quot;campagne&quot;:<BR><BR>2. les terres cultiv&eacute;es, hors d'une ville<BR><BR>3. endroits o&ugrave; on cultive la terre, on &eacute;l&egrave;ve des animaux, loin des villes<BR><BR><BR><BR>I didn't look all this up before my last post, but not that I have checked a few sources, I'm satisfied that at least I'm not &quot;wrong.&quot;<BR><BR>
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 08:09 PM
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Does that mean I'm right ?
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Old Mar 29th, 2003 | 11:52 PM
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uh-oh busted:<BR>I don't think the French were the first to use the &quot;province&quot; concept - AFAIK it was the Romans who refered to every place outside of their capital but within their empire as the &quot;provinces&quot;.<BR><BR>CMT:<BR>This may be overkill, but I disagree with the Larousse translation - the Robert on the other hand mirrors exactly what I was saying ;-). <BR>&quot;Il y a des paysages magnifiques par ici&quot; could also be used by someone referring to urban, mountain or desert scenery.<BR><BR>Here's hoping I got the last word in ;-)<BR><BR>Andre
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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 02:35 AM
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I agree with Andre. At least on ordinary use, using &quot;paysage&quot; to mean &quot;countryside&quot; seems a strech to me. I'm not an expert but I use French in daily basis. So I'd say the first response by bigguy &quot;la campagne&quot; was the simple and correct answer.
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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 05:46 PM
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While were discussing the finer degrees of nuance, where does &quot;la patrimoine&quot; fit in???
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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 06:10 PM
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who knows what erniy really wanted, but I suspect it was the provinces or simply Provence, because he/she didn't say &quot;what is the French word for countryside&quot; but what is the NAME of the French countryside. Big difference. However, you do hear &quot;a la campagne&quot; a lot in various phrases, so it could be that's what erniy was looking for. I can't imagine paysage would be the word sought in that phrasing of the question.<BR><BR>&quot;countryside&quot; isn't used that much in English, anyway, it seems to me--when it is, it usually would mean landscape in a discussion. Nobody would say I'm going to the countryside. Even that Larousse definition reinforces that and says that same thing, that countryside is paysage when it means landscape or scenery.<BR><BR>I don't understand what patrimoine has to do with this discussion, though, as it means heritage in relation to a country.
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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 06:57 PM
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Know wonder we're having trouble with Franch.... LOL
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