Pretend You are Elin: What Would You Do Now?
Dec 3rd, 2009, 09:13 AM
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So how would you feel if you were Tiger, having to pay off this woman?
He's not "feeling" anything. He's just reacting.
Do you think he ever cared about her, or thought she cared about him? Might he have expected her to stay quiet out of concern for him? Does he feel betrayed?
If he ever even thought about it, I suspect he'd answer "no" to those questions. To him, this was just about sex. Which paints a pretty ugly picture. Still, I think his apology was sincere.
He's not "feeling" anything. He's just reacting.
Do you think he ever cared about her, or thought she cared about him? Might he have expected her to stay quiet out of concern for him? Does he feel betrayed?
If he ever even thought about it, I suspect he'd answer "no" to those questions. To him, this was just about sex. Which paints a pretty ugly picture. Still, I think his apology was sincere.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 09:37 AM
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Maybe some people are surprised because they really wanted Tiger to be who he seemed to be - a clean-cut, decent good guy. Good role models, at least famous ones, are so hard to find, and when we lose one it's disappointing.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 09:53 AM
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I don't understand why Tiger's having an affair is such a surprise for some people.
Kureiff, I usually am on the same wavelength as you, but I see this differently. The "surprise" is because he was always painted as Mr. Good-In-Every-Way -- an image with which he seemed to be quite content. It served him well; apparently, it also served a lot of other people, too.
Kureiff, I usually am on the same wavelength as you, but I see this differently. The "surprise" is because he was always painted as Mr. Good-In-Every-Way -- an image with which he seemed to be quite content. It served him well; apparently, it also served a lot of other people, too.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 09:56 AM
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Yeah, but why would a person expect a professional athlete to be a role model? That's what I don't understand.
It's like expecting a celebrity to be a role model. It doesn't make sense to me to look for a role model in someone who lives a reality so different than mine. These people are paid obscene amounts of money, pampered, catered to, and adored.
How does that person's life remotely relate to mine and why would I make a person living such a different life a role model for my own life?
I don't mind reading about celebrities or athletes or rock stars. I like watching professional sports, but I don't understand why some people try to apply a celebrity's lifestyle and habits to their own lives. It just doesn't make sense to me.
It's like expecting a celebrity to be a role model. It doesn't make sense to me to look for a role model in someone who lives a reality so different than mine. These people are paid obscene amounts of money, pampered, catered to, and adored.
How does that person's life remotely relate to mine and why would I make a person living such a different life a role model for my own life?
I don't mind reading about celebrities or athletes or rock stars. I like watching professional sports, but I don't understand why some people try to apply a celebrity's lifestyle and habits to their own lives. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 10:17 AM
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<Yeah, but why would a person expect a professional athlete to be a role model?>
I think most sports fans would say that the discipline and dedication top-flight athletics require are worthy of admiration: you can't just wake up one morning, swing a golf club, and win the Masters. You have to work for it, you have to practice and study, you can't give up, and so on: these are values people generally want to teach their kids, and the reason they hold up athletes as role models. Tiger was also a role model to ethnic minority children: his success showed that if you work hard, you can succeed even in a field in which your skin color will be a rarity.
I totally get why he became a role model. But he's also a mortal man, and now comes the fun part for parents, explaining to their kids how such great qualities can co-exist with shabby human failings.
I think most sports fans would say that the discipline and dedication top-flight athletics require are worthy of admiration: you can't just wake up one morning, swing a golf club, and win the Masters. You have to work for it, you have to practice and study, you can't give up, and so on: these are values people generally want to teach their kids, and the reason they hold up athletes as role models. Tiger was also a role model to ethnic minority children: his success showed that if you work hard, you can succeed even in a field in which your skin color will be a rarity.
I totally get why he became a role model. But he's also a mortal man, and now comes the fun part for parents, explaining to their kids how such great qualities can co-exist with shabby human failings.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 10:28 AM
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Dec 3rd, 2009, 10:41 AM
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I love how that links to a betting site where you can bet on:
1. Tiger and Elin's marital status on New Years's Eve
2. Wherher he loses any major endorsements
3. Where he wins or loses the next Master's match.
1. Tiger and Elin's marital status on New Years's Eve
2. Wherher he loses any major endorsements
3. Where he wins or loses the next Master's match.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:05 AM
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Not condoning his behavior but I would suggest his public problem has a lot to do with the insatiable appetite of the general public to see the proverbial car wreck and the advancement of stars being hounded 24/7. Does anyone think Jack Nicklaus or Arnold Palmer were squeeky clean in the affair department. Look at some of our most beloved presidents as well. This is simply a common human failing.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:12 AM
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Neighbors were reporting that both Tiger's mom and Elin's mom were at the house Thanksgiving night. Wow. Presumably they were aware of the scenario unfolding. No wonder he was in such a hurry to get out of there.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:31 AM
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"I think most sports fans would say that the discipline and dedication top-flight athletics require are worthy of admiration: you can't just wake up one morning, swing a golf club, and win the Masters."
Oh, I know, and I completely agree, Newbe. But having talent and developing that talent doesn't automatically mean some is an upstanding, moral person.
Dedication and perseverance are good qualities to emulate, but I would also argue that someone who has a lot of natural talent, does not necessarily have to put forth more dedication and perseverance than someone else that doesn't have talent. The person without talent may put forth the same amount of effort and perseverance; they just don't succeed because they lack the same level of talent.
I'm married to a former college athlete who was very successful in two different sports. Yeah, he worked hard and was successful, but a lot of his ability is natural. He developed it, but he didn't have to work as hard as a kid without that same talent.
Oh, I know, and I completely agree, Newbe. But having talent and developing that talent doesn't automatically mean some is an upstanding, moral person.
Dedication and perseverance are good qualities to emulate, but I would also argue that someone who has a lot of natural talent, does not necessarily have to put forth more dedication and perseverance than someone else that doesn't have talent. The person without talent may put forth the same amount of effort and perseverance; they just don't succeed because they lack the same level of talent.
I'm married to a former college athlete who was very successful in two different sports. Yeah, he worked hard and was successful, but a lot of his ability is natural. He developed it, but he didn't have to work as hard as a kid without that same talent.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:31 AM
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If she has any self respect, she has to divorce him. It wasn't one night or one woman, it was what, 3? One of them for 31 months! That is no side thing, that is an ongoing thing.
Take for as much as you can and move on. He is such a jerk. I thought that of Bill too. I also lost respect for Hillary for staying with him. He too had numerous affairs. I would have liked Hillary more if she had left him.
All this makes me sick.
Take for as much as you can and move on. He is such a jerk. I thought that of Bill too. I also lost respect for Hillary for staying with him. He too had numerous affairs. I would have liked Hillary more if she had left him.
All this makes me sick.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:35 AM
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Their's is a political marriage. Staying together made sense for them, maybe not in the traditional-marriage but in the political-marriage sense. As for Elin & Tiger, except for the fact that this is being played out in public, I don't see this as any different from any other couple in which one is flagrantly and continuously engaged in extramarital affairs -- lots of couples like that stay together, who knows why.
Their's is a political marriage. Staying together made sense for them, maybe not in the traditional-marriage but in the political-marriage sense. As for Elin & Tiger, except for the fact that this is being played out in public, I don't see this as any different from any other couple in which one is flagrantly and continuously engaged in extramarital affairs -- lots of couples like that stay together, who knows why.
Dec 3rd, 2009, 11:37 AM
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I think it's ridiculous to judge other people's marriages. You do what works for you and let others do the same. Elin will do what she feels is best, hopefully no one will judge her if she stays with him.
