Carriage Rides in Central Park NYC
#3
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,601
Likes: 0
Wouldn't it make more sense to try to figure out a humane and very comfortable arrangement for stabling and caring for the horses, as a historic resource, than just spending money to ban them? I'm probably naive about this and I care a great deal about animals and their treatment. The horses often bothered me when I visited NYC and saw them, but some were clearly better cared for than others.
Are horses elsewhere (Chicago) equally poorly treated?
Are horses elsewhere (Chicago) equally poorly treated?
#4
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 57,886
Likes: 0
They do not operate the year round. Operations are controlled by the weather - and if it is very hot and humid - or very cold (don;t remember the minimum temp/wind chill) the horses are required, by city regulation, to stay in their barns.
They will be available most days - but certainly not all.
They will be available most days - but certainly not all.
#6
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 57,886
Likes: 0
Agree that many of the poor horses don;t look well card for - I just hope if the carriages are banned the law includes mandatory retirement provisions for the horses.
And, frankly, don;t get why people do this anyway. In the warm weather the horses smell (well, all horses do that don;t get regular baths) and you can see only a small part of the Park from the few roads (often surrounded by cars) you are limited to.
And, frankly, don;t get why people do this anyway. In the warm weather the horses smell (well, all horses do that don;t get regular baths) and you can see only a small part of the Park from the few roads (often surrounded by cars) you are limited to.
#7
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 4,181
Likes: 0
The horses are happy and the owners love them. This talk of cruelty is typical PETA garbage.
And, yes, carriage rides operate in February. I jogged along side the carriages yesterday, and the tourists were enjoying the tour with blankets & hot chocolate.
And, yes, carriage rides operate in February. I jogged along side the carriages yesterday, and the tourists were enjoying the tour with blankets & hot chocolate.
Trending Topics
#9
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
Waste of money! Don't think your gonna have a leisurely ride through the park wrapped in blankets and feeling like your the only people around! It's more like a traffic jam of horses, one right after the other, only a few feet apart!
#11
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,738
Likes: 0
The horses are happy?
When someone can actually speak Horse and get that answer from one of those poor creatures, then I will believe it.
They are not treated well, their living conditions are poor.
The horses do smell, flies bite them and passengers and those blankets they give you for warmth are disgusting.
How do you think they get from Central Park to the Stables? through that horrid traffic with horns and taxis..
Here, look at this and tell me how happy he looks
http://gothamist.com/2007/09/15/scared_by_drums.php
When someone can actually speak Horse and get that answer from one of those poor creatures, then I will believe it.
They are not treated well, their living conditions are poor.
The horses do smell, flies bite them and passengers and those blankets they give you for warmth are disgusting.
How do you think they get from Central Park to the Stables? through that horrid traffic with horns and taxis..
Here, look at this and tell me how happy he looks
http://gothamist.com/2007/09/15/scared_by_drums.php
#12
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,738
Likes: 0
#16
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,738
Likes: 0
Last night reading up on this, I found a remark made by one of the people at the ASPCA or some other organization where they slammed Neeson for his (ignorant) remarks..questioning his involving himself in this ..
I found photos of the 5 story, "stable" the horses are kept in on the West side.. after walking through traffic at the end of a long day, they have to walk up steep ramps ( where staircases once stood) to get to their floor where they stand in small airless stalls with a window at the end of the hall. Must be delightful in summer.. with concrete floors, the winters there must be lovely too..
2009 New York City and its roads and traffic do not need horse drawn carriages ..
If I were a tourist there, I would be so ashamed to go on one!!
I found photos of the 5 story, "stable" the horses are kept in on the West side.. after walking through traffic at the end of a long day, they have to walk up steep ramps ( where staircases once stood) to get to their floor where they stand in small airless stalls with a window at the end of the hall. Must be delightful in summer.. with concrete floors, the winters there must be lovely too..
2009 New York City and its roads and traffic do not need horse drawn carriages ..
If I were a tourist there, I would be so ashamed to go on one!!
#17
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 26,710
Likes: 0
Laim Neeson stated that he grew up around horses in Ireland, knew about their care, and visits the NYC stables often.
What I found interesting is that he bucked the trend and the reverential PETA to make such a comment. He was on Jon Stewart to flog his new movie and obviously asked to address the issue.
What I found interesting is that he bucked the trend and the reverential PETA to make such a comment. He was on Jon Stewart to flog his new movie and obviously asked to address the issue.
#18
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 4,181
Likes: 0
The horses at the West 45th Street stables are rotated to an upstate farm every 5 weeks.
So much for that whine.
And I too grew up around horses, spending hours in the saddle every day in the summers.
How so I know the horses are generally content? Because when you see them waiting for tourists on Central Park South, their lower lip and chin are droopy, a sign of complete relaxation.
And the claim that it's a "traffic jam"? Wrong (90% of the time). Yesterday the horses we're spread out, happily trotting along, and their passengers had broad smiles on their faces!
So much for that whine.
And I too grew up around horses, spending hours in the saddle every day in the summers.
How so I know the horses are generally content? Because when you see them waiting for tourists on Central Park South, their lower lip and chin are droopy, a sign of complete relaxation.
And the claim that it's a "traffic jam"? Wrong (90% of the time). Yesterday the horses we're spread out, happily trotting along, and their passengers had broad smiles on their faces!
#19
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,738
Likes: 0
Gekko, I read that too ...
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01292009...yer_152563.htm
but I also lived in Manhattan and was sadly witness to more than one horse/taxi incident as well as a horse that collapsed and died from the heat.
As in any debate of this sort, both sides will drag out everyone that they can to speak for their side.
Hopefully, the actual truth and facts will decide this one.
Of course, in tough times, it might be hard to choose a horses well being and life over the tourist dollars they might earn.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01292009...yer_152563.htm
but I also lived in Manhattan and was sadly witness to more than one horse/taxi incident as well as a horse that collapsed and died from the heat.
As in any debate of this sort, both sides will drag out everyone that they can to speak for their side.
Hopefully, the actual truth and facts will decide this one.
Of course, in tough times, it might be hard to choose a horses well being and life over the tourist dollars they might earn.
#20
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 4,181
Likes: 0
Accidents happen. They are tragic.
But there's no evidence the accidents happen at a disproportionate rate over "normal" horse accidents. At my family farm, horses died from accidents and heat, too. 'Tis unavoidable.
To suggest that the carriage horses would live immortal, accident-free lives if not "working" is silly.
They'd probably be made into glue, actually.
But there's no evidence the accidents happen at a disproportionate rate over "normal" horse accidents. At my family farm, horses died from accidents and heat, too. 'Tis unavoidable.
To suggest that the carriage horses would live immortal, accident-free lives if not "working" is silly.
They'd probably be made into glue, actually.




