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Calling non-US citizens: Which US Pres. candidate would you vote for?

Calling non-US citizens: Which US Pres. candidate would you vote for?

Apr 1st, 2008, 12:44 AM
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My comments on compulsory voting are on the Lounge thread.

Neil_Oz is offline  
Apr 1st, 2008, 02:02 AM
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Hi lavici. Lizzy has explained Nimbin et al. However in reality, so for as I was concerned personally,the sixties was a time when my political interest first arose with Vietnam etc. I was too boring though to ever wear flowers in my hair and didn't even do drugs. Yes, Kennedy, Martin Luther King etc inspired me and , for the first time in years Obama gives me the same sense of excitement. I agree that my excitement may well be misplaced and it might all be hype. However, I can't see him being less effective than the present President. I note our Prime Minister seems to be endorsing Clinton.
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Apr 1st, 2008, 03:12 AM
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I'm still watching the primaries. Can't remember being this engaged in a US election since 1992 when, I have to tell you, I whooped for joy when I heard Clinton was in Bush Snr was out.

I'm sorry, Obama supporters, but I just have the feeling that the frenzy for him is media lead. Hillary is getting desperate. It would be hard not to if you were the front runner, then all of a sudden a no-hoper (originally) overtakes you.

I'd love to believe that Barack has what it takes. Maybe he is really special. But, from the outside, it just looks like a classic case of spin and dumbing down. I prefer Hillary and I don't think her association with a previous adminstration (in which her position was un-categorisable) should count against her.

But, for sure, either would be better than McCain.

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Apr 1st, 2008, 03:16 AM
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PA, I watched Kevin Rudd on TV tonight and he was careful to avoid endorsing any candidate - unlike his predecessor, who last year blundered badly in attacking Obama and the Democrats generally, provoking some mirth among Americans, most of whom had never heard of him before then.

Then Bush gave Howard a ringing endorsement in Sydney last year. That was probably the final nail in Howard's coffin.

I'd be very surprised if Rudd, as a former career diplomat, made the mistake of endorsing any presidential candidate. It would do neither party any good, after all.

BTW, your experience of the '60s mirrors mine. Actually I saw very few hippies in the '60s - they were more common in the early '70s.
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Apr 1st, 2008, 10:37 AM
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flowers in the hair, hmmmm i was in my VERY early teens, i was 9 years old in 1960 but in the 70īs i do remember hippies, and i even wore the granny dresses and wore a band around my head and many neclaces something like a yuppie/hippie maybe? and 'flowers in your hair... flowers everywhere' of course and 'lucy in the sky with diaaaaaamonds.... oh nooooooo'. well, speaking politics again. i know lizzy i read somewhere that our paths would be crossing. i'm sure there will be a next time...to meet you. i want to go to new zealand and i won't have time this time so i'll have to go back. soooomeday over the rainow tralalalalá...
politically as a s.a. IMO chávez is-- together with mugabwe (who seems to be on his way out),castro, bush, kim il sung, bielorussia's whatever, ahmadinejad-- part of the bad boys bully clique. bush is the same same 'ol as the rest of the gang, just standing on the other side of the radical ideological bible thumpin' rainbow, disguised by his twang and cowboy boots. he's the president the world loves to hate. chávez is now aiding madame K(argentina's inefable first lady), bachelet's chile flirts with him, but she remain firmly planted in their incredible economical growth just like brasil and uruguay. but he sends money to everybody and the cat: the farc,ecuador,cuba,ortega,perú bolivia( has a very strong opposition ... still)trying to convert south america into a farc- land under the gringo's very indifferent eyes... you see, georgie porgie still buys oil from us. so, i would say only uribe has his cojones very well tied in place,his economy is strong and self sustainable, and he resists our chavez's $iren$ oil songs... so, hillary would be tougher with this growing unrest in USA's own backyard, which bush has payed no attention to, centering it in oil rich iraq, plus iran/ghan. although obama would probably be more suave and deft at handling him than her or mc cain. but if 'billary' and obama keep wearing themselves out and tearing each other out in this very interesting race of two minorities, mc cain will be the next one paired with condi rice... he already has earned 6 points over obama and much more over 'billary'... ok, time to exercise my legs, instead of my fingers... see ya later mates. jj
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Apr 1st, 2008, 08:05 PM
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Neil, yes I did think it strange that Rudd would actually endorse anyone.
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Apr 1st, 2008, 10:41 PM
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Just thought you may like to read this everyone including Neil and PA:

A snipe at the Yanks by John Cleese.


Britain is Repossessing the U.S.A.

A Message from John Cleese: To the citizens of the United States of America:

In light of your failure to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy). Your new prime minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. (A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed).
To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.

1. Then look up aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.
2. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix -ize will be replaced by the suffix -ise. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (Look up 'vocabulary.')

3. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as US English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell- checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of -ize. You will relearn your original national anthem, God Save The Queen.

4. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

5. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.

6. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

7. All American cars are hereby banned. This is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.

8. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

9. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) at roughly $US10 per US gallon. Get used to it.

10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

11. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. Australian beer is also acceptable as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting Nation on earth, and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of British Commonwealth - see what it did for them.

12. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie McDowell attempt English dialogue in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

13. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nannies). Don't try Rugby - the Australians, South Africans and Kiwis will thrash you, like they regularly thrash us.

14. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

15. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

16. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

17. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups, never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; strawberries in season.

God save the Queen.
Only He can.

John Cleese

LizzyF is offline  
Apr 2nd, 2008, 09:26 AM
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thank you lizzy, it's too funny... imagining john cleese proclaiming this revocation edict out loud, dressed in velvet with a pompous uniform and a feather in his hat made my morning! ja ja ja janine
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Apr 2nd, 2008, 01:00 PM
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Yes Janine you can imagine John Cleese doing that thing dressed in, as you say, a pompous uniform and tongue firmly in his cheek. I thought it was very funny too.
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Apr 2nd, 2008, 01:05 PM
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At the risk of seeming a wet blanket, John Cleese didn't write this. The full story, including subsequent American rebuttals in the same vein, can be found at
www.snopes.com (search on "john cleese").

Interestingly, "aluminum" was the original spelling used by Sir Humphrey Davy, its discoverer. The US decided to revert to this spelling in 1925.
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Apr 2nd, 2008, 04:16 PM
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neil... you are a total -if honest- wet blanket. i was going to be a total copycat and inspire myself based on this idea for my monthly chronicle in a local newspaper. chávez, said in his last talk show on sunday ( lasted 5 hours) that he wants to create populist circuses in small towns, and i know we are far away from you in every way shape and form, but by chance do you remember spain's king juan carlos asking him to shut up in a summit in chile? well... so, i guess i'll use the inspiration anyway, john cleese or no john cleese. aluminum or aluminium. i'll have to find a representative of the beleaguered citizens of venezuela, who dressed in our national costume, will ask king juan carlos to revoke our independence(on april 19th)to become spaniards again and bow to the very tall king. the venezuelan copycat... jjjj
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Apr 2nd, 2008, 07:28 PM
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Not quite right on the history story of the spelling of aluminuim Neil - here is the correct one:

"It was not, however until much later that aluminium began to be thought as a metal separate and self contained for use such as other ferrous and non ferrous metals. In 1761 de Morveau proposed the name "alumine" for the base in alum. Later yet, in 1807, Davy proposed the name alumium for the metal, undiscovered at that time, and later agreed to change it to aluminum.

Shortly thereafter, the name aluminium was adopted by IUPAC to conform with the "ium" ending of most elements. Aluminium is the IUPAC spelling and therefore the international standard.

Aluminium was also the accepted spelling in the U.S.A. until 1925, at which time the American Chemical Society decided to revert back to aluminum, and to this day Americans still refer to aluminium as "aluminum".

But lets revert back to history. Aluminium was first isolated by Hans Christian Oersted in 1825 who reacted aluminium chloride (AlCl3) with potassium amalgam, an alloy of potassium and mercury. Heating the resulting aluminium amalgam under reduced pressure caused the mercury to boil away leaving aluminium metal. The metal was born for uses, which at that time no one could have thought of."

Never too old to learn ............
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