Any Foodie's Out There?
Jun 9th, 2007, 06:41 PM
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Any Foodie's Out There?
Going to the L'Auberge Hotel & Casino in Lake Charles and need to know some great restaurants for breakfast and any other fabulous places in Lake Charles for food.
Jun 9th, 2007, 07:48 PM
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you might want to ask this question on www.chowhound.com
Jun 9th, 2007, 09:17 PM
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What's a foodie???? Is it someone who will over pay for poor food, or is it someone who enjoys food- growing, preparing, and savoring????? I have always wondered, this word is thrown around a lot on this board.
Jun 9th, 2007, 09:55 PM
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Author: bardo1
Date: 02/09/2007, 07:59 am
Sorry for the rant, but this tired term was retired back in 2004 (or earlier!). Enough already. Just seeing it in the listings is like nails on a blackboard to me.
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Author: vjpblovesitaly
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:10 am
I was thinking the same thing when I saw the title! Foodie - what a dopey word.
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Author: Dukey
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:38 am
Well, Bardo...now you know what to do when somebody here uses that term...we expect you to charge right in and blast them for it.
Now about that term "passive-aggressive" LOL!
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Author: highflyer
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:44 am
The colors prompted me to check if this was a rec for Valentine's Day restaurants!!!!
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Author: marginal_margiela
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:51 am
Tough crap what you think. If I want to use "foodie" I will.
When you start writing a food column for the NY TIMES, maybe I will pay attention to you.
Thin
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Author: sandi_travelnut
Date: 02/09/2007, 03:41 pm
ahhh ThinGorjus
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Author: FainaAgain
Date: 02/09/2007, 03:46 pm
From Oxford Dictionary:
foodie (also foody)
• noun (pl. foodies) informal a person with a strong interest in food; a gourmet.
Nothing about retirement.
It's like abortion: if you don't like it, don't use it, Bardo.
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Author: christy1
Date: 02/09/2007, 06:34 pm
If you are going to bash the word, at least propose an alternative so that people with a strong interest in food can get their point across in their thread title.
Though I'm not sure why anyone would ask here for food advice rather than egullet.org, chowhound.com, or mouthfulsfood.com.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 02/09/2007, 06:48 pm
christy, I'll answer that last question for you. Chowhound is the MOST user unfriendly site I've ever gone to. If you want a nice restaurant in a particular location you could spend hours trying to click back and forth to find nebulous responses about specific places. And even then most posters never mention anything like specific prices or ordering suggestions.
Why come here? Because people will often give specific advice to people who ask specific questions -- that's why.
And I think some of you should get over being upset about the word Foodie. It is in common usage today and most people who are well traveled know exactly what is meant when someone says he's a Foodie. I agree. If you want to retire the word, give us an alternative.
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Author: bardo1
Date: 02/10/2007, 08:54 am
Good point. What was ever wrong with gourmet or even epicure. Both fall much easier on the ear and the eyes.
Heck if you want a more trendy sounding word, why not something like gastronaut?
BTW, IS there a major food critic today who still uses "foodie"? Who?
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Author: iamq
Date: 02/10/2007, 10:55 am
Well, someone is still using it. Just yesterday I got some advertising in the mail from David Rosengarten editor of the Rosengarten Report, "The Private Newsletter for Passionate Foodies". This thing has the word foodie all over it. Never heard of the guy.
-Bill
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Author: monet77
Date: 02/10/2007, 11:14 am
David Rosengarten used to have a TV show on the Food network in NYC. He is the author of The Dean and DeLuca Cookbook. I believe he has written other cookbooks, but I am not familiar with them.
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Author: annesherrod
Date: 02/10/2007, 12:19 pm
The lady from NPR - Lynn Rosetta Kasper (sp) still says that ALL the time.
Doesn't bother me....
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Author: LucieV
Date: 02/27/2007, 08:50 pm
I couldn't agree more with the op. It's like "gourmet." Except foodie isn't even pretentious, just comical.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 02/28/2007, 09:19 am
A gourmet is something else.
If a person can't wait for the new opening of a top sushi bar in his neighborhood and wants to try the latest creations (let's say they're offering some before unheard of fish selections) then that person is a foodie. He may not be a gourmet.
A person whose favorite restaurant has won many awards and is known for their classic French creations and sauces, service, and decor -- true old fashioned excellence -- then that person is a gourmet. He may not be a foodie.
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Author: GoTravel
Date: 02/28/2007, 09:21 am
If I'm not mistaken, you have to be in the business to post on eGullet.com or pay.
Celebrity chefs and food writers post there.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:03 pm
I understand the difference, NeoP. My point was that both terms are overused and, imo, comical.
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Author: lcuy
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:27 pm
Yea, but it's kind of ackward to post titles like "Person who really likes food and other associated aspects of dining would like restaurant recommendations for NYC"
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Author: BetsyinKY
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:35 pm
Anyone can post in the forums sectons on eGullet.com. You have to register, but it's free. I like eGullet better than chowhound, because it's easier to navigate.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:36 pm
But why is there any need to ask for anything other than "good restaurants"? I don't get it. I guess I give people more credit than they deserve or something, but I assume that people who are seeking a good restaurant appreciate good food & good restaurants & everything that implies. It's not rocket science! I just find the label "foodie" a bit self-serving, as in "I'm a foodie; you're a slob."
Whatever. I grew up in a family that was into good food; we just didn't advertise it.
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Author: NewbE
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:59 pm
Taking the time to post a new topic in which one declares one or another term to be "tired" is the equivalent of screaming "I'm hip! I'm hip! Look at me! Look at me!" Ironic, yes; interesting, no.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:35 pm
Lucie, I think you have it all wrong. Most self proclaimed "foodies" use the term the same as somebody posting here and say "I have a Fodor's addiction". If anything it is the opposite of suggesting anyone who isn't a foodie is a slop. Most "foodies" are borderline obsessed with food. They get the shakes if a new hot place opens and they haven't had a chance to try it. They can't sleep if there is a new food item they haven't gotten their hands on. Tasting a wonderful new dish by a great chef could be as good or even better than sex.
Obviously from what you say that you don't "get" anything more than wanting a good restaurant, you are not only NOT a foodie, but you really have no idea what the term means. Sorry.
By the way, I don't regard myself as a foodie. Like you I enjoy good food. But I have quite a few friends are definitely "foodies". I can't think of a nother term to use to define their passion for food.
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Author: cigalechanta
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:47 pm
Bardo, I felt the same as you and expressed it on a forum that most there disagreed with me. So I accept their view for THEM but not for me. I find the word ineloquent for a meal of freshness, creativity or not, and taste.
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Author: cigalechanta
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:50 pm
go travel, I've been posting on EGullet for years. There is a higher rank that you pay for but I'm just an ordinary poster=free.
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Author: lcuy
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:51 pm
I'll have to agree with Patrick...The foodies I know don't think they're better than others, just that they are obsessed with food.
I find the title useful...if someone says they are a foodie, and wants ideas for activities in ABC city, I'm not going to spend a lot of time giving them hints on museums and shopping spots, and I'm not going to recommend Cheesecake factory for a good lunch, even if its the only spot in town. Sort of like someone saying they have a "thing for shoes" and asking where to shop in NYC. We aren't going to give them directions to Payless Shoes.
Now, if someone tells me they are a gourmand, then I'll feel they're putting on airs.... (justified or not)
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Author: NewbE
Date: 02/28/2007, 11:03 pm
Now, see, that's funny to me, because I have always understood "gourmand" to mean a person who would eat anything and everything--not discerning, the opposite of a gourmet.
I agree with Patrick's def. of a foodie, which is neither gourmet nor gourmand.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 12:00 am
NeoP, not to blow your conjecture/conclusiion, but um, yes, I do know what the term means. I not only live in the SF Bay Area, I've spent the majority of my life here. Enough said...though I'll say more!
This place started "suddenly" crawling with foodies the last few years. I.e., suddenly a lot of people were using the term. Do you honestly think that before "foodies" arrived (and I use that verb somewhat kiddingly), there were no people here (or anywhere else where good food is part and parcel of one's life) who were "obsessed" with good food?
One thing you're right about. I would never call myself a foodie. In fact, were someone to refer to me as a foodie, I'd have to politely shove some Humboldt Fog into his/her mouth.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 08:08 am
Well, Lucy, I'm not going to argue that you don't know or do know what foodie means, but your post above mine clearly made it look like you didn't since you said:
"I guess I give people more credit than they deserve or something, but I assume that people who are seeking a good restaurant appreciate good food & good restaurants & everything that implies. It's not rocket science! I just find the label "foodie" a bit self-serving, as in "I'm a foodie; you're a slob."
My point was the people who call themselves foodies certainly is not the same as indicating they're "above" other people or would consider non-foodies as slobs. And you seem by your comments about just finding a good restaurant that you don't know why that would make someone call them a foodie -- it doesn't and it has little to nothing to do with being a foodie either.
Sorry your post just confused me then.
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Author: bardo1
Date: 03/01/2007, 08:26 am
From Merriam Webster:
GASTRONOME mean one who takes pleasure in eating and drinking. EPICURE implies fastidiousness and voluptuousness of taste. GOURMET implies being a connoisseur in food and drink and the discriminating enjoyment of them. GOURMAND implies a hearty appetite for good food and drink, not without discernment, but with less than a gourmet's. GASTRONOME implies that one has studied extensively the history and rituals of haute cuisine.
So, GOURMET applies to the whole range of food - not just the upper end. If one is obsessed with finding the truck that sells the perfect goat meat taco or the storefrone with the best Vietnemese soup (as well the best French huate cuisine), then that person is a GOURMET. How is that food obsessed "gourmet" different than a "foodie"?
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 08:42 am
I think there may be little difference, however the term gourmet had developed a lot of negative connotations -- more like that "look at me, I'm a gourmet, I have fine taste" impression. I think that's why the term "foodie" was started -- a lighter approach to the idea that didn't sound nearly so raised eyebrow. I think it's kind of funny however, that some people are now attaching that same "snootiness" to foodie that they did to gourmet.
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Author: Wednesday
Date: 03/01/2007, 09:14 am
Whenever I see a gourmet food word that begins with "gastro" it makes me think of heartburn.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 09:37 am
LOL. Wednesday, I'm with you. When they first started that term in London -- "Gastro Pub", I thought "that doesn't sound like a place I'd want to eat!"
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 01:44 pm
NeoP, I can't speak for others, but for me, it's not "snootiness" that I attach to the term "foodie." It's more like...amusement.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 01:48 pm
Interesting. I took this statement:
"I just find the label "foodie" a bit self-serving, as in "I'm a foodie; you're a slob."
as being more about "snootiness" than amusement.
Sorry, I just really have trouble sometimes figuring out what you mean. I hope you see why I have so much trouble interpreting your remarks? How was I to know that statement wasn't about snootiness?
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 02:07 pm
NeoP, don't worry about it. If you misunderstand me, I can live with it. I don't pretend to understand you -- or anybody else -- all the time either! Some people we naturally communicate with more effectively than others. It's okay. My will is eminently clearly written, as is my recipe for Mexican chocolate ice cream.
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Author: sistahlou
Date: 03/01/2007, 02:24 pm
I'm a foodie and good with it. I have the creditcard statements, the truffle oil, the herbs and love handles to prove it.
Foodie, foodie foodie......blah blah blah......
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Author: Leely
Date: 03/01/2007, 02:34 pm
Foodie doesn't bother me. I saw this thread and thought, "Big deal; it's in Webster's and has been around since the 80s (when I was still a schoolgirl!)." Language is organic. Words and phrases fall in and out of use. Dig in your heels and rail against it as you wish. Who knows, perhaps someday it will become an obsolete term. You may get lucky.
I too have lived most of my life in the SF area, and currently live in the city; I'm pretty sure that doesn't give me any more credibility than anyone else, though. There are/were certain changes in this city that bother me--for example the working poor finding it an increasingly impossible place to live--but use of the term foodie is way, way, way low on the list.
That is all.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 04:25 pm
Leely, good point. Excellent point. The word foodie isn't even worth wincing over...except on Fodors.
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Author: Leely
Date: 03/01/2007, 05:29 pm
So...what's for lunch?
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 05:42 pm
A boring-as-dirt bowl of oatmeal, followed by a few squares of ... Santander bittersweet espresso chocolate. Don't tell Mom.
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Author: bear900
Date: 03/01/2007, 05:57 pm
Makes me think of The Wheel of Lunch:
http://www.coverpop.com/wheeloflunch/
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Author: beachbum
Date: 03/01/2007, 06:22 pm
Chowhound defines a foodie as someone who eats what they're told to eat, lapping up the hype of the hottest new restaurant, and rarely venturing outside their comfort zone without Zagat in hand. I don't think I'd want to wear that label. But I know a **few** who proudly do, even though it sometimes means burgers and fries at the local greasy spoon.
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Author: Scarlett
Date: 03/01/2007, 06:30 pm
Oh bardo, I do agree, having read too many TripAdvisor **foodie** reports on " dining" in Pubs and bringing ones own wine glasses to said Pub... on the wonderfulness of free wine or that a tired chef just doing his job stopped by to say hello to diners made the dinner " a wonderful dining experience"...I am just glad to say that I like to eat out more than I like to cook and I cannot begin to tell the difference in truffle oil or Virgin first pressed cold oil, by taste..lol..But maybe some people just have a need to aspire to something..in this case, Foodie-ism ~
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Author: bardo1
Date: 03/02/2007, 11:32 am
Scarlett,
Don't be so modest. Anyone can detect the wonderful aroma of truffle oil from a room away - even if they can't identify it.
Author: bardo1
Date: 02/09/2007, 07:59 am
Sorry for the rant, but this tired term was retired back in 2004 (or earlier!). Enough already. Just seeing it in the listings is like nails on a blackboard to me.
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Author: vjpblovesitaly
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:10 am
I was thinking the same thing when I saw the title! Foodie - what a dopey word.
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Author: Dukey
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:38 am
Well, Bardo...now you know what to do when somebody here uses that term...we expect you to charge right in and blast them for it.
Now about that term "passive-aggressive" LOL!
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Author: highflyer
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:44 am
The colors prompted me to check if this was a rec for Valentine's Day restaurants!!!!
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Author: marginal_margiela
Date: 02/09/2007, 09:51 am
Tough crap what you think. If I want to use "foodie" I will.
When you start writing a food column for the NY TIMES, maybe I will pay attention to you.
Thin
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Author: sandi_travelnut
Date: 02/09/2007, 03:41 pm
ahhh ThinGorjus
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Author: FainaAgain
Date: 02/09/2007, 03:46 pm
From Oxford Dictionary:
foodie (also foody)
• noun (pl. foodies) informal a person with a strong interest in food; a gourmet.
Nothing about retirement.
It's like abortion: if you don't like it, don't use it, Bardo.
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Author: christy1
Date: 02/09/2007, 06:34 pm
If you are going to bash the word, at least propose an alternative so that people with a strong interest in food can get their point across in their thread title.
Though I'm not sure why anyone would ask here for food advice rather than egullet.org, chowhound.com, or mouthfulsfood.com.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 02/09/2007, 06:48 pm
christy, I'll answer that last question for you. Chowhound is the MOST user unfriendly site I've ever gone to. If you want a nice restaurant in a particular location you could spend hours trying to click back and forth to find nebulous responses about specific places. And even then most posters never mention anything like specific prices or ordering suggestions.
Why come here? Because people will often give specific advice to people who ask specific questions -- that's why.
And I think some of you should get over being upset about the word Foodie. It is in common usage today and most people who are well traveled know exactly what is meant when someone says he's a Foodie. I agree. If you want to retire the word, give us an alternative.
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Author: bardo1
Date: 02/10/2007, 08:54 am
Good point. What was ever wrong with gourmet or even epicure. Both fall much easier on the ear and the eyes.
Heck if you want a more trendy sounding word, why not something like gastronaut?
BTW, IS there a major food critic today who still uses "foodie"? Who?
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Author: iamq
Date: 02/10/2007, 10:55 am
Well, someone is still using it. Just yesterday I got some advertising in the mail from David Rosengarten editor of the Rosengarten Report, "The Private Newsletter for Passionate Foodies". This thing has the word foodie all over it. Never heard of the guy.
-Bill
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Author: monet77
Date: 02/10/2007, 11:14 am
David Rosengarten used to have a TV show on the Food network in NYC. He is the author of The Dean and DeLuca Cookbook. I believe he has written other cookbooks, but I am not familiar with them.
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Author: annesherrod
Date: 02/10/2007, 12:19 pm
The lady from NPR - Lynn Rosetta Kasper (sp) still says that ALL the time.
Doesn't bother me....
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Author: LucieV
Date: 02/27/2007, 08:50 pm
I couldn't agree more with the op. It's like "gourmet." Except foodie isn't even pretentious, just comical.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 02/28/2007, 09:19 am
A gourmet is something else.
If a person can't wait for the new opening of a top sushi bar in his neighborhood and wants to try the latest creations (let's say they're offering some before unheard of fish selections) then that person is a foodie. He may not be a gourmet.
A person whose favorite restaurant has won many awards and is known for their classic French creations and sauces, service, and decor -- true old fashioned excellence -- then that person is a gourmet. He may not be a foodie.
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Author: GoTravel
Date: 02/28/2007, 09:21 am
If I'm not mistaken, you have to be in the business to post on eGullet.com or pay.
Celebrity chefs and food writers post there.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:03 pm
I understand the difference, NeoP. My point was that both terms are overused and, imo, comical.
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Author: lcuy
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:27 pm
Yea, but it's kind of ackward to post titles like "Person who really likes food and other associated aspects of dining would like restaurant recommendations for NYC"
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Author: BetsyinKY
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:35 pm
Anyone can post in the forums sectons on eGullet.com. You have to register, but it's free. I like eGullet better than chowhound, because it's easier to navigate.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:36 pm
But why is there any need to ask for anything other than "good restaurants"? I don't get it. I guess I give people more credit than they deserve or something, but I assume that people who are seeking a good restaurant appreciate good food & good restaurants & everything that implies. It's not rocket science! I just find the label "foodie" a bit self-serving, as in "I'm a foodie; you're a slob."
Whatever. I grew up in a family that was into good food; we just didn't advertise it.
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Author: NewbE
Date: 02/28/2007, 05:59 pm
Taking the time to post a new topic in which one declares one or another term to be "tired" is the equivalent of screaming "I'm hip! I'm hip! Look at me! Look at me!" Ironic, yes; interesting, no.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:35 pm
Lucie, I think you have it all wrong. Most self proclaimed "foodies" use the term the same as somebody posting here and say "I have a Fodor's addiction". If anything it is the opposite of suggesting anyone who isn't a foodie is a slop. Most "foodies" are borderline obsessed with food. They get the shakes if a new hot place opens and they haven't had a chance to try it. They can't sleep if there is a new food item they haven't gotten their hands on. Tasting a wonderful new dish by a great chef could be as good or even better than sex.
Obviously from what you say that you don't "get" anything more than wanting a good restaurant, you are not only NOT a foodie, but you really have no idea what the term means. Sorry.
By the way, I don't regard myself as a foodie. Like you I enjoy good food. But I have quite a few friends are definitely "foodies". I can't think of a nother term to use to define their passion for food.
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Author: cigalechanta
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:47 pm
Bardo, I felt the same as you and expressed it on a forum that most there disagreed with me. So I accept their view for THEM but not for me. I find the word ineloquent for a meal of freshness, creativity or not, and taste.
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Author: cigalechanta
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:50 pm
go travel, I've been posting on EGullet for years. There is a higher rank that you pay for but I'm just an ordinary poster=free.
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Author: lcuy
Date: 02/28/2007, 08:51 pm
I'll have to agree with Patrick...The foodies I know don't think they're better than others, just that they are obsessed with food.
I find the title useful...if someone says they are a foodie, and wants ideas for activities in ABC city, I'm not going to spend a lot of time giving them hints on museums and shopping spots, and I'm not going to recommend Cheesecake factory for a good lunch, even if its the only spot in town. Sort of like someone saying they have a "thing for shoes" and asking where to shop in NYC. We aren't going to give them directions to Payless Shoes.
Now, if someone tells me they are a gourmand, then I'll feel they're putting on airs.... (justified or not)
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Author: NewbE
Date: 02/28/2007, 11:03 pm
Now, see, that's funny to me, because I have always understood "gourmand" to mean a person who would eat anything and everything--not discerning, the opposite of a gourmet.
I agree with Patrick's def. of a foodie, which is neither gourmet nor gourmand.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 12:00 am
NeoP, not to blow your conjecture/conclusiion, but um, yes, I do know what the term means. I not only live in the SF Bay Area, I've spent the majority of my life here. Enough said...though I'll say more!
This place started "suddenly" crawling with foodies the last few years. I.e., suddenly a lot of people were using the term. Do you honestly think that before "foodies" arrived (and I use that verb somewhat kiddingly), there were no people here (or anywhere else where good food is part and parcel of one's life) who were "obsessed" with good food?
One thing you're right about. I would never call myself a foodie. In fact, were someone to refer to me as a foodie, I'd have to politely shove some Humboldt Fog into his/her mouth.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 08:08 am
Well, Lucy, I'm not going to argue that you don't know or do know what foodie means, but your post above mine clearly made it look like you didn't since you said:
"I guess I give people more credit than they deserve or something, but I assume that people who are seeking a good restaurant appreciate good food & good restaurants & everything that implies. It's not rocket science! I just find the label "foodie" a bit self-serving, as in "I'm a foodie; you're a slob."
My point was the people who call themselves foodies certainly is not the same as indicating they're "above" other people or would consider non-foodies as slobs. And you seem by your comments about just finding a good restaurant that you don't know why that would make someone call them a foodie -- it doesn't and it has little to nothing to do with being a foodie either.
Sorry your post just confused me then.
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Author: bardo1
Date: 03/01/2007, 08:26 am
From Merriam Webster:
GASTRONOME mean one who takes pleasure in eating and drinking. EPICURE implies fastidiousness and voluptuousness of taste. GOURMET implies being a connoisseur in food and drink and the discriminating enjoyment of them. GOURMAND implies a hearty appetite for good food and drink, not without discernment, but with less than a gourmet's. GASTRONOME implies that one has studied extensively the history and rituals of haute cuisine.
So, GOURMET applies to the whole range of food - not just the upper end. If one is obsessed with finding the truck that sells the perfect goat meat taco or the storefrone with the best Vietnemese soup (as well the best French huate cuisine), then that person is a GOURMET. How is that food obsessed "gourmet" different than a "foodie"?
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 08:42 am
I think there may be little difference, however the term gourmet had developed a lot of negative connotations -- more like that "look at me, I'm a gourmet, I have fine taste" impression. I think that's why the term "foodie" was started -- a lighter approach to the idea that didn't sound nearly so raised eyebrow. I think it's kind of funny however, that some people are now attaching that same "snootiness" to foodie that they did to gourmet.
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Author: Wednesday
Date: 03/01/2007, 09:14 am
Whenever I see a gourmet food word that begins with "gastro" it makes me think of heartburn.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 09:37 am
LOL. Wednesday, I'm with you. When they first started that term in London -- "Gastro Pub", I thought "that doesn't sound like a place I'd want to eat!"
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 01:44 pm
NeoP, I can't speak for others, but for me, it's not "snootiness" that I attach to the term "foodie." It's more like...amusement.
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Author: NeoPatrick
Date: 03/01/2007, 01:48 pm
Interesting. I took this statement:
"I just find the label "foodie" a bit self-serving, as in "I'm a foodie; you're a slob."
as being more about "snootiness" than amusement.
Sorry, I just really have trouble sometimes figuring out what you mean. I hope you see why I have so much trouble interpreting your remarks? How was I to know that statement wasn't about snootiness?
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 02:07 pm
NeoP, don't worry about it. If you misunderstand me, I can live with it. I don't pretend to understand you -- or anybody else -- all the time either! Some people we naturally communicate with more effectively than others. It's okay. My will is eminently clearly written, as is my recipe for Mexican chocolate ice cream.
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Author: sistahlou
Date: 03/01/2007, 02:24 pm
I'm a foodie and good with it. I have the creditcard statements, the truffle oil, the herbs and love handles to prove it.
Foodie, foodie foodie......blah blah blah......
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Author: Leely
Date: 03/01/2007, 02:34 pm
Foodie doesn't bother me. I saw this thread and thought, "Big deal; it's in Webster's and has been around since the 80s (when I was still a schoolgirl!)." Language is organic. Words and phrases fall in and out of use. Dig in your heels and rail against it as you wish. Who knows, perhaps someday it will become an obsolete term. You may get lucky.
I too have lived most of my life in the SF area, and currently live in the city; I'm pretty sure that doesn't give me any more credibility than anyone else, though. There are/were certain changes in this city that bother me--for example the working poor finding it an increasingly impossible place to live--but use of the term foodie is way, way, way low on the list.
That is all.
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 04:25 pm
Leely, good point. Excellent point. The word foodie isn't even worth wincing over...except on Fodors.
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Author: Leely
Date: 03/01/2007, 05:29 pm
So...what's for lunch?
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Author: LucieV
Date: 03/01/2007, 05:42 pm
A boring-as-dirt bowl of oatmeal, followed by a few squares of ... Santander bittersweet espresso chocolate. Don't tell Mom.
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Author: bear900
Date: 03/01/2007, 05:57 pm
Makes me think of The Wheel of Lunch:
http://www.coverpop.com/wheeloflunch/
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Author: beachbum
Date: 03/01/2007, 06:22 pm
Chowhound defines a foodie as someone who eats what they're told to eat, lapping up the hype of the hottest new restaurant, and rarely venturing outside their comfort zone without Zagat in hand. I don't think I'd want to wear that label. But I know a **few** who proudly do, even though it sometimes means burgers and fries at the local greasy spoon.
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Author: Scarlett
Date: 03/01/2007, 06:30 pm
Oh bardo, I do agree, having read too many TripAdvisor **foodie** reports on " dining" in Pubs and bringing ones own wine glasses to said Pub... on the wonderfulness of free wine or that a tired chef just doing his job stopped by to say hello to diners made the dinner " a wonderful dining experience"...I am just glad to say that I like to eat out more than I like to cook and I cannot begin to tell the difference in truffle oil or Virgin first pressed cold oil, by taste..lol..But maybe some people just have a need to aspire to something..in this case, Foodie-ism ~
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Author: bardo1
Date: 03/02/2007, 11:32 am
Scarlett,
Don't be so modest. Anyone can detect the wonderful aroma of truffle oil from a room away - even if they can't identify it.
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Wow,you people really got hung up on a simple question.Didn't mean to offend anyone.As something extra added to a trip that we are taking my folks on to help celebrate their 65th, we were looking for some great food,but since I didn't get one answer, yes, I will move on to higher places and a little more respect!
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