Fodor's lacking tidal schedule Bay of Fundy
May 10th, 2012, 03:27 AM
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Fodor's lacking tidal schedule Bay of Fundy
I am amazed that the current book on Nova Scotia and Atlantic Canada has NO info on where to find tidal schedule for this world famous bay. High tides being 12 hours apart, I surely do not want to hand around some beach all day just waiting or the next high tide to rush in. Are they posted on the "Welcome " Signs at entrance to each town on the Bay? ETC . Very grustrating that a so-called GUIDE book would miss this topic
May 10th, 2012, 04:32 PM
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For the love of GOD... HOW MANY TIMES is the Fundy Tide schedule posted in this forum??
Besides, it would be stupid for a travel guide book to pretend to know when YOU are going to use it, and print tide schedules for some certain window. (that'd be like putting a date on a t-shirt - usually a dumb idea)
Do you really need instruction to tell you to, maybe, say, GO ONLINE to look for the tide schedule?
Once you get online, you can predict the tides as far in advance as you can plan, so what say you take some initiative on your own? (unless you think a travel guidebook should waste space printing, say, a year's worth of tides just for you, rendering the pages obsolete after 12 months)
The fact that you got yourself to this forum SUGGESTS you can search the forum and find the tide schedules you want.
PS - what the hell does 'grustrating' mean???
Besides, it would be stupid for a travel guide book to pretend to know when YOU are going to use it, and print tide schedules for some certain window. (that'd be like putting a date on a t-shirt - usually a dumb idea)
Do you really need instruction to tell you to, maybe, say, GO ONLINE to look for the tide schedule?
Once you get online, you can predict the tides as far in advance as you can plan, so what say you take some initiative on your own? (unless you think a travel guidebook should waste space printing, say, a year's worth of tides just for you, rendering the pages obsolete after 12 months)
The fact that you got yourself to this forum SUGGESTS you can search the forum and find the tide schedules you want.
PS - what the hell does 'grustrating' mean???
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May 11th, 2012, 10:47 AM
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Here's the Fisheries and Oceans Canada website for tidal predictions - click on the map area(s) of interest and click on the various locations then fill in your dates, etc. and it will give you the calculated "predicted" tides (there are 4 most days, and the 2 highs and 2 lows can be different levels). http://www.waterlevels.gc.ca/english/canada.shtml .
May 11th, 2012, 08:33 PM
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I find the second response a little overboard, myself.
NWM, the OP did not say that guidebooks should include tide tables. The comment was that guidebooks should tell how/where to find information on the tides.
I have the new NS&AC guidebook myself and just took a quick look at it. As far as I can tell, the OP is correct that there is nothing about how to get info on the tides, which is a key part of preparing for any trip to the region.
It would indeed be helpful for any guidebook covering the Bay of Fundy region to (1) point out that readers (not all of whom might have Internet access or be Internet savvy, by the way) could check online (and give the best websites); (2) set out the types of places (such as tourist info centers) that one could visit or telephone for information; and (3) mention places that post tide tables (I believe that there are towns that post such info at certain sites like a park, viewpoint, or beach).
It would also be smart for the guidebook to note that checking in advance will facilitate planning, routing, and such for maximum enjoyment of the trip. I have perused quite a number of guidebooks in the past few weeks and they all talk about the Fundy tides. But I can't recall right now that any of them tell you how and/or where to get information on when high and low tides will occur. If they do, I either skipped that section or have forgotten it.
(All that said, it also appears the OP doesn't quite understand how tides work, so an explanation of that might be in order as well.)
NWM, the OP did not say that guidebooks should include tide tables. The comment was that guidebooks should tell how/where to find information on the tides.
I have the new NS&AC guidebook myself and just took a quick look at it. As far as I can tell, the OP is correct that there is nothing about how to get info on the tides, which is a key part of preparing for any trip to the region.
It would indeed be helpful for any guidebook covering the Bay of Fundy region to (1) point out that readers (not all of whom might have Internet access or be Internet savvy, by the way) could check online (and give the best websites); (2) set out the types of places (such as tourist info centers) that one could visit or telephone for information; and (3) mention places that post tide tables (I believe that there are towns that post such info at certain sites like a park, viewpoint, or beach).
It would also be smart for the guidebook to note that checking in advance will facilitate planning, routing, and such for maximum enjoyment of the trip. I have perused quite a number of guidebooks in the past few weeks and they all talk about the Fundy tides. But I can't recall right now that any of them tell you how and/or where to get information on when high and low tides will occur. If they do, I either skipped that section or have forgotten it.
(All that said, it also appears the OP doesn't quite understand how tides work, so an explanation of that might be in order as well.)
May 11th, 2012, 09:45 PM
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<b>The point is</b> that it makes zero sense to be <I>complaining on the internet about not being able to find Fundy tide info in a book</i>.
When you have the internet, you should be allocating your time to actually <b>obtaining the info you profess to want</b> and not complaining about such stupid stuff.
Observe the total absurdity in someone arriving at these Fodors forums to grumble about not being able to get Fundy tide information in a Fodors guidebook, <b>while at the same time not bothering to do a simple search here in the forums <i>for the very information they professed to want in the first place</i></b>.
In this case, we have a poster who has <i>two layers of the absurd</i> already to their credit:
A. Clearly they already have the internet, and could have merely <b>employed it</b> to obtain the information they want.
B. Instead of satisfying their quest immediately, they opted to turn up at Fodors forums <b>which has numerous threads which cite a comprehensive website for getting the tide tables for the Bay of Fundy</b>. (once again, rather than get the information and be done with it, they opted to post this useless complaint)
PS - do guidebooks <b>really</b> need to state <b>THE OBVIOUS</b> relating to <i>(where to find information) in the 2000's ??? </i>
When you have the internet, you should be allocating your time to actually <b>obtaining the info you profess to want</b> and not complaining about such stupid stuff.
Observe the total absurdity in someone arriving at these Fodors forums to grumble about not being able to get Fundy tide information in a Fodors guidebook, <b>while at the same time not bothering to do a simple search here in the forums <i>for the very information they professed to want in the first place</i></b>.
In this case, we have a poster who has <i>two layers of the absurd</i> already to their credit:
A. Clearly they already have the internet, and could have merely <b>employed it</b> to obtain the information they want.
B. Instead of satisfying their quest immediately, they opted to turn up at Fodors forums <b>which has numerous threads which cite a comprehensive website for getting the tide tables for the Bay of Fundy</b>. (once again, rather than get the information and be done with it, they opted to post this useless complaint)
PS - do guidebooks <b>really</b> need to state <b>THE OBVIOUS</b> relating to <i>(where to find information) in the 2000's ??? </i>
May 12th, 2012, 07:22 PM
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NWM,
This IS the Fodor's forum. If you're going to complain about a Fodor's product, this seems like one of the best places to do it. And, as I said earlier, I agree with the OP insofar as I find it somewhat ridiculous that guidebooks (and not just Fodor's) can go on and on about how magnificent the Fundy tides are but not bother to mention anything about the need to know the tide tables or how/where to find them.
<<do guidebooks really need to state THE OBVIOUS relating to (where to find information) in the 2000's ???>>
Yes, for a least three reasons:
(1) It is NOT obvious to everyone. That is why people buy guidebooks—to tell them the things they need to know.
(2) Not everyone is as Internet savvy as we are. There are plenty of people—especially older people—who love to travel but are of the pre-Internet generation and are used to getting their information from books, over the telephone, or via face-to-face interactions, not from a computer. My mother (who is nearing 80) is a good example. She is certainly not stupid, but she is not an Internet user, either.
(3) I, for one, appreciate being guided to specific websites, books, and other sources of information. Sure, I can go out on the Web to find info, and enjoy doing that. BUT—if I am reading a guidebook and come across mention of something like Fundy tide tables, I like it when the books then says "check them out at www.FundyTideTables.123". It means I can just type that site into my browser instead of having to search for it.
A prefect example of this is hotel listings. If a book, review site, or whatever lists the hotel's website, I can go straight to it.
If not, I have to search for it online and sometimes wade through all the hits for sites like Tripadvisor to find the actual hotel website—which is a waste of my time. The actual hotel website is not always the first one listed in the search results.
So—the OP's complain is NOT useless. I hope the mods will make note of it and forward it to the editors of the guidebooks that cover the Bay of Fundy region. That way, maybe the next editions will include specific mention of tide tables, the need to know them, and how/where to find them (websites, TI offices, etc.). If there IS mention of them in the guidebooks currently, I'd appreciate if the mods could let us know where. As I said, I don't recall seeing that information in any of the guidebooks I have read so far (including literature from provincial tourism offices). It might be there, but I don't recall coming across it.
This IS the Fodor's forum. If you're going to complain about a Fodor's product, this seems like one of the best places to do it. And, as I said earlier, I agree with the OP insofar as I find it somewhat ridiculous that guidebooks (and not just Fodor's) can go on and on about how magnificent the Fundy tides are but not bother to mention anything about the need to know the tide tables or how/where to find them.
<<do guidebooks really need to state THE OBVIOUS relating to (where to find information) in the 2000's ???>>
Yes, for a least three reasons:
(1) It is NOT obvious to everyone. That is why people buy guidebooks—to tell them the things they need to know.
(2) Not everyone is as Internet savvy as we are. There are plenty of people—especially older people—who love to travel but are of the pre-Internet generation and are used to getting their information from books, over the telephone, or via face-to-face interactions, not from a computer. My mother (who is nearing 80) is a good example. She is certainly not stupid, but she is not an Internet user, either.
(3) I, for one, appreciate being guided to specific websites, books, and other sources of information. Sure, I can go out on the Web to find info, and enjoy doing that. BUT—if I am reading a guidebook and come across mention of something like Fundy tide tables, I like it when the books then says "check them out at www.FundyTideTables.123". It means I can just type that site into my browser instead of having to search for it.
A prefect example of this is hotel listings. If a book, review site, or whatever lists the hotel's website, I can go straight to it.
If not, I have to search for it online and sometimes wade through all the hits for sites like Tripadvisor to find the actual hotel website—which is a waste of my time. The actual hotel website is not always the first one listed in the search results.
So—the OP's complain is NOT useless. I hope the mods will make note of it and forward it to the editors of the guidebooks that cover the Bay of Fundy region. That way, maybe the next editions will include specific mention of tide tables, the need to know them, and how/where to find them (websites, TI offices, etc.). If there IS mention of them in the guidebooks currently, I'd appreciate if the mods could let us know where. As I said, I don't recall seeing that information in any of the guidebooks I have read so far (including literature from provincial tourism offices). It might be there, but I don't recall coming across it.
May 14th, 2012, 10:44 AM
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Cranachin,
I really doooooooooooooo appreciate some of your points, as they are (FAR more fair than the OP has been to Fodors). However, as TIDES are not like restaurants or hotels which may or may not have gone out of business since the guidebook might have mentioned their name or their website, SOME amount of personal responsibility for finding tide tables must fall on any holder of <I>common sense</i>.
As for <I>"older people"</i>... while they didn't have the internet back in their formative years, <b>tides</b> were just as predictable back then (before they'd lost their minds - is that what you're trying to say?) as they are today.
Back in the <b>dark ages</b> (before the internet solved nearly everything - LOL) the holder of a <b>travel</b> <I>guidebook</i> would STILL be responsible for purchasing his own little <i>Tide Guide</i> for various destinations.
Fodors circa 1944 would not be responsible for stating "in order to make the most of the Fundy tides, one should purchase the "123 tide table" for the Bay of Fundy - available at Woolworth's on Spring Garden Road (once you get there). (and much less so now!)
Anybody who ever got a lesson about the moon and their own bathtub is aware of <I>tides</i>, and unlike so much else, <b>tides have not changed since 80-year-olds were in first grade</b>.
As to this: <I>"NWM, the OP did not say that guidebooks should include tide tables. The comment was that guidebooks should tell how/where to find information on the tides."</i>
The <b>title</b> of this thread is <b>"Fodor's lacking Tidal Schedule Bay of Fundy"</b>.
Well, <B>"Fodor's"</b> is NOT lacking a tidal schedule... the OP SOMEhow managed to overcome the insurmountable odds against making it to the Fodor's website, and instead of searching for the info they wanted, they created an account for what so far has been the sole purpose of <b><i>stating in error</i> that "Fodor's (is) lacking Tidal schedule (for the) Bay of Fundy"</b>.
Finally, had the OP not been so far out of line in their post, I'd have simply pasted a handy Fundy tide weblink I've pasted here dozens of times.
I really doooooooooooooo appreciate some of your points, as they are (FAR more fair than the OP has been to Fodors). However, as TIDES are not like restaurants or hotels which may or may not have gone out of business since the guidebook might have mentioned their name or their website, SOME amount of personal responsibility for finding tide tables must fall on any holder of <I>common sense</i>.
As for <I>"older people"</i>... while they didn't have the internet back in their formative years, <b>tides</b> were just as predictable back then (before they'd lost their minds - is that what you're trying to say?) as they are today.
Back in the <b>dark ages</b> (before the internet solved nearly everything - LOL) the holder of a <b>travel</b> <I>guidebook</i> would STILL be responsible for purchasing his own little <i>Tide Guide</i> for various destinations.
Fodors circa 1944 would not be responsible for stating "in order to make the most of the Fundy tides, one should purchase the "123 tide table" for the Bay of Fundy - available at Woolworth's on Spring Garden Road (once you get there). (and much less so now!)
Anybody who ever got a lesson about the moon and their own bathtub is aware of <I>tides</i>, and unlike so much else, <b>tides have not changed since 80-year-olds were in first grade</b>.
As to this: <I>"NWM, the OP did not say that guidebooks should include tide tables. The comment was that guidebooks should tell how/where to find information on the tides."</i>
The <b>title</b> of this thread is <b>"Fodor's lacking Tidal Schedule Bay of Fundy"</b>.
Well, <B>"Fodor's"</b> is NOT lacking a tidal schedule... the OP SOMEhow managed to overcome the insurmountable odds against making it to the Fodor's website, and instead of searching for the info they wanted, they created an account for what so far has been the sole purpose of <b><i>stating in error</i> that "Fodor's (is) lacking Tidal schedule (for the) Bay of Fundy"</b>.
Finally, had the OP not been so far out of line in their post, I'd have simply pasted a handy Fundy tide weblink I've pasted here dozens of times.
