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Jan 26th, 2005, 01:17 PM
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LOL! Take a deep breath and chuckle even a little bit... "It is always my opinion that the parents with NO children are the ones giving out advice."

How can parents have no children?

I know, I know, you meant "people"
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Jan 26th, 2005, 01:19 PM
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hah! Good catch Suzie, the fighting was getting boring anyway.
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Jan 26th, 2005, 01:25 PM
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I did not mean people, they are parents with all the answers, just no kids. These are the ones that think they would be a better parent and that everyone else should do it this way and..........


You get the point?
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Jan 26th, 2005, 01:29 PM
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Holy mackerel themanfromnantucket, I do get the point. One of us needs a drink though.
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Jan 26th, 2005, 01:38 PM
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How do you know who has kids?

How do you know who has all the answers?

I certainly want to meet that person.
 
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Jan 26th, 2005, 01:42 PM
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I think part of the reason I feel self-conscious about my kids on planes is that I too have had to deal with other people's kids during bad times. The lap baby who kicks you, spills on you, poos, cries. Even if it doesn't make you angry, it's not a pleasant situation. So I hate to have ever had my own kids be bothersome. The whole question of safety is so clear cut: I wish the airlines would just not allow lap babies. That would remove the option of feeling cheap or feeling like an alarmist. The reality for me is that I always tried to save the money. And you know what, I know most parents who buy the baby a seat do it for comfort as much as safety. I know there are parents who put the safety of their kids first no matter what, but most of us cut corners on occasion, even if it's a simple, small thing. Just like making talking on cell phones while driving. I do it; I know I probably shouldn't; if it were illegal, I'd stop, and I'd be safer. And so would my kids.
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Jan 26th, 2005, 01:49 PM
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As a parent of a quiet, smart, only child, I personally can't stand to be around a bunch of whiny, crying, sniveling, misbehaving brats. My kid would NEVER act that way. ;-)
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Jan 26th, 2005, 02:00 PM
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manfromnantucket-no one was giving advise on child rearing. read the post again. i SUGGESTED that the CONCERNED, RESPONSIBLE parent CONSIDER the stranger sitting next to them & whether or not they will be able to control a child on their lap for any length of time wihout having a problem. You are very defensive about kids and people with kids. Have you been confronted often about your children in public places? And really, you are the insulting one. Insinuating that anyone who doesn't have a child couldn't possibly understand. Pulease. I guess a childless school teacher is also not qualified to make a suggestion?
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Jan 26th, 2005, 02:30 PM
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Thank goodness someone is finally being honest here buckeyemom
 
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Jan 26th, 2005, 03:06 PM
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I agree that airlines should require seats for all passengers. It is difficult for even a typical size person to fit into a seat without infringing on his or her neighbor let alone two people (parent and infant) in one seat. I traveled once with my infant daughter on my lap and regretted it.

Regarding the back and forth; I do agree that it is annoying when non-parents giving parenting advice and also agree that you really can't understand what it is to be a parent unless you are one. However I don't think bugswife1 was at all out of line in her initial comments. I can't imagine any reasonable parent wouldn't agree with her that it is completely unacceptable for her to have to put up with the behavior of the lap baby she described.
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Jan 26th, 2005, 04:00 PM
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The Nation Transportation Safety Board's (NTSB) Report on United Airlines Flight 232 Crash outside Sioux City, Iowa July 1989

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 
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Jan 26th, 2005, 04:47 PM
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Here's my view:

Isn't your child's life worth the money? Would you lay your child in back seat of your car because you can't afford a childseat?

I just have to shake my head if your child's life becomes a "cost issue".
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Jan 26th, 2005, 05:30 PM
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The airlines need to make it mandatory to buy a seat for every passenger, doing away with lap babies, if it's so clearly dangerous.

By the way, I've flown my entire life and never encountered severe turbulence. I don't deny it exists, but it's not this terribly realistic, pressing fear for me that it seems to be for others.
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Jan 27th, 2005, 05:39 AM
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"My kid would never do that".

Sarcasm at it's best, I hope. Or else Buckeyemom of the year is kidding herself.
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Jan 27th, 2005, 06:08 AM
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sfamylou, I've driven a car for 20 years and been a passenger for 36 years, and have never had or been in an accident, yet I certainly would not put my soon-to-be-born baby in the car without a car seat simply because I've never experienced an accident.

I used to fly a lot for work (about 120,000 miles a year), and I have definitely encountered bad turbulence. Bad enough that the morons who don't wear their seatbelts when they are seated flew out of their seats and bashed their heads on the ceiling. That I've seen twice. It wasn't pretty, and neither were their injuries. Luckily there were no babies on board either flight that weren't in car seats.
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Jan 27th, 2005, 06:28 AM
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TravelingMom: A ton of great advice from many! I literally laughed out loud when I read beentheretwice's advice----"you will never see these people again"----that exact phrase got me through many a flight when my son was much younger! I would pray that he wouldn't embarrass me to death by annoying other passengers----I always felt like those already seated were chanting: "please not by me...please, no..." ha. Really, though----EXCELLENT advice on bringing an extra shirt for yourself----the first time that I flew with my son (Tucson to Louisville, changing planes in Las Vegas), he was a mere 4 months old; thank God he was well-behaved and managed not to do any hair-pulling, etc....HOWEVER, I was an idiot, and wore a $300+ Bebe tapered jacket (no shell/blouse underneath), and he spit-up all over me at the beginning of the flight! The jacket ended-up at the cleaners, but I (and all of the people surrounding, I'm sure) had to endure that pungent, sour stinch for the endurance of the wretched 4-hour flight from Vegas to Lou. (When "Meet the Parents" first came out, I burst into laughter at that similar scene----although it wasn't funny at the time for me, in reality.)
There are MANY strongfelt views (both for and against) on the usage of pacifiers, but my son's ENT actually suggested that I take one with me for use during both landing and takeoff.
I have also found it to be extremely helpful to have small bills easily accessible ($1's and $5's), in case of dire need of assistance while in the airport, and I've never been sorry. One other thing----when my son was a toddler, I always took tons of antibacterial wipes---until they know better (and with repeated instruction), they will touch anything. Smallest bathroom in the world.....you know what I mean.
On a lighter note, my husband and I just returned from NYC about a week ago (our son, now older, stayed home with family), and we were going through security in LGA. The lady in front of us was traveling with both a toddler AND an infant----and her husband wasn't with her. My heart immediately went-out to her: going through security was going to be a nightmare for her: shoe removal, stroller, bottle and "sippy" cups, "I'm hungry" and "I have to go potty" exclamations from the toddler. With assistance, we enabled her to make it through security with relatively few dirty looks, and it took no more time than it did for my husband to put his shoes back on. Both parties made their flights on time.
So.....before others sneer at those of us traveling alone, perhaps they should take into account that we may just be one whine away from crouching underneath the tray table in tears, cursing the father's name.
I used to dread spotting a child on board-----until I became a mother.
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Jan 27th, 2005, 06:37 AM
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Talavera, That was the most eloquent post yet, and most sincere.
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Feb 14th, 2005, 06:37 AM
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Hi,

We're going to be travelling to France w/ an 11 month old who is too big for her easy to carry car seat. We are buying her a seat on the flight, but weren't thinking of taking her current, larger car seat. From the messages posted here, however, sounds like it's the safest thing to do. Anyone know if it's possible to stow a car seat (Britax Marathon) in a locker at de Gaulle so we don't have to lug the thing all over France?
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Feb 14th, 2005, 06:39 AM
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Claude- I would post your question on the Europe board where you are likely to get a quicker response on locker size at deGaulle. I suspect there are some backpackers who could answer quickly.
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