Where is the best authentic pizza in NYC?We will be visiting soon and want to try your pizza also a good bagel and lox place not to trendy we want the real thing....Thanks in advance, Janet

"Authentic Pizza" has taken on new meaning in recent years, but here's some places that are very good (IMO), although probably not authentic:

John's Pizza- Greenwich Village or Theater Distr. locations

Grimaldi's- under the Brooklyn Bridge (Brooklyn side), may not be authentic, but viewed as some of the best in NYC

For "authentic pizza" try Ray's Pizza on 6th Ave and 11th St (not what it used to be, but still "authentic"). Some like Joe's on the corner of the square at 6th ave and Bleeker St.

For Bagels, i think there are none better than Essa Bagel on Third Ave, near 51st St.

For Bialeys, check out Kossar's on the lower east side.

I like the pizza at Sal & Carmine's on Broadway & 101st St but I don't know if I'd travel to eat their pizza.

As for bagel and lox, although there are many places for it, especially on the lower east side, I'll offer some upper west side suggestions. If you don't want a sit-down restaurant, I'd get the bagels at H&H on Broadway & 80th St, and the lox at Zabar's across the street. Although you can get presliced packaged lox, I'd get it handsliced by the guys. On a nice day you can picnic in Riverside Park. If you would like a sit-down place, there's Barney Greengrass on Amsterdam Ave & 86th St. You can also get sable, sturgeon and blintzes there. Have fun!

Without having done a search, I'd still bet dollars to doughnuts this topic has been done ad nauseum (literally). By a search, I mean entering a phrase similar to "best New York pizza" in the textsearch box above. Of course, try other wording too, like "ny pizza", "manhattan pizza", "nyc italian", etc.

Easy. Grimaldi's under the Brooklyn Bridge and Lil' Frankie's Pizza in the East Village. (LFP is owned by the same people as the popular Italian restaurant Frank.)

theruare must have read my mind, Essabagel on 51st is on my block and you WON'T get a better bagel in NY. H&H is popular but Essabagel is just way better.
John's Pizza all the way-thin crust done in a wood oven. Note: both of these places are true NY-the service will be fast and brusque as they are always very busy. Remember you're there for the food and enjoy the rush!

Two Boots makes great pizza, several of them, one just above Houston Street near Broadway.

Lombardi's, on Spring Street. East of Broadway.

Original Rays on 13th or 14th Street (actually, there are lots of them with this name, but I've always liked this one).

If you don't mind going a little out of the way and are adventurous, try Patsy's Pizza in Harlem at 116th and 1st. Be warned, it's not the greatest neighborhood.

John's
Joe's (stand at 6th and Bleeker, right on the corner of Bleeker - there are two Joe's in that block)

John's is great (it's a restaurant, can not get a quick slice). Joe's is very good pizza by the slice, better than ray's. Ray's is very mediocre. Patsy's has several locations all over manhattan (also a restaurant) and is also very good, they also have excellent salads to go with the pizza. As far as 'authentic', all i can tell you is i grew up with homemade pizza and john's is the closest that i've come across.

I seem to remember a lengthy discussion a year or so ago about this very topic and I'll throw in the same 2 cents I threw in then.

Real NY pizza is pizza-by-the-slice. There are literally thousands of these places all over New York, from the northernmost reaches of the Bronx to Coney Island to Bayside, Queens. Some are great, some are terrible. Many of these slice places are called Ray's, and most of them are not related to each other.

In the past 15 years, brick oven pizza has become very popular and many people confuse this as "authentic" New York pizza, not possible considering John's Pizza is a relatively new restaurant compared to the traditional pizza-by-the-slice joints which have been around for 60-75 years or more. As far as I know there are 4 John's Pizza, the one downtown being the original and the one in the theatre district is the newest. They make a great pizza, but it's not authentic New York pizza.

To sum up my 2 cents (now up to 8 cents), eat at a few different pizza joints. They're all a little different. My personal favorite still is Pronto Pizza on 55th Street between 5th & 6th. On any given day their slices are as good as any I've tasted. (Not to be confused with any other pizza place named Pronto, for which I cannot vouch.)

John's is good but I like Joe's. Remember, it's the Joe's on the corner of Carmine and Bleeker, not the Joe's mid-vblock between Bleeker and 6th Ave.

Janet, I know you asked for the city locations, but I just wanted to tell you that Ronnie's on Tremont Avenue in the Bronx is very good along with Patricia's and Vesuvio on Morris Park Avenue.

Grimaldi's is my personal favorite, and I also really like John's and Totonno's, but these are not NY-style pizzas, they are thin-crust brick (or coal) oven pizzas that cannot be bought by the slice.

My favorite "by the slice" (authentic NY style) pizzas are Anna Maria's on 87th & 1st, and Mimma's on 84th & 2nd. I found that Upper East Side slices are generally very good and Upper West Side pizza is generally bad (my UWS friends agree w/me on this, and would often visit just for a slice). I rarely eat Midtown pizza...too many bad experiences. If the slice looks like it's been sitting around for awhile, DON'T EAT IT. My BF has gotten food poisoning several times from old pizza.

And the winner for the absolute WORST pizza in NYC is Pronto on the corner of 42nd and 6th. Nearly no sauce, tons of thick, greasy, gloppy, cheap, smelly cheese. Yuck!!!

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Stromboli's on University b/w 12th and 13th is the best. Rays on 6th and 11th is second. Essabagel on 1st and 21st is the best for bagels and lox.

Thanks everyone ! I have printed out your responses and we leave tomarrow morning
I can hardly wait to see New York!!!

john's pizzeria. is there other ny pizza?