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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 01:49 AM
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Cicerones...a very good volunteer organization. They are good will ambassadors for Buenos Aires who lend their expertise to visitors free of charge. You tell the organization what interests you and they match you with a volunteer.

The Cicerone assigned to me knew a great deal about the topic in which I was interested. I learned a great deal about the economic collapse and subsequent recovery...why some socio economic groups recovered quickly and why some did not.

AV is kind of a one person Cicerone. He offers the same sort of free service but is not a member of the organization due to his antisocial personality.

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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 04:26 AM
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The good social sciences doctor's diagnosis is that I suffer from an "antisocial personality".

MY diagnosis is that he is offended because I would not allow him to kiss me good bye, when we met a few days ago.

Kissing among men is a strange habit acquired during the nineties by many Argentine males.

I also have a terrible habit, which other free guides do not have: my antisocial personality does not allow me to let a lady pick up the check.

LOL!!!!

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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 04:34 AM
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Oh, now I see that as fan club president, I'll have to brush up on my very limited ability to speak Spanish!
My biggest fear is that someone will actually understand me and answer me in Spanish. That's when I'll get that clueless look on my face.

Scarlett, the tours look great.
Did you take the REAL tour with the famous AV?

Yes, Drdawggy, I think the t shirts should definately have a rooster on them.
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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 04:48 AM
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Memo to Ms. President kodi: please try to use a capital "R" for "Rooster". LOL!!
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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 05:26 AM
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Oh NO!!!! I didn't mean to be sooooo disrespectful! I promise I will try harder to be a good president!
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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 05:29 AM
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Hmm - first he fires me - then he ignores me.. LOL.

I have done the Cicerones twice and the AVrooster Real Buenos Aires too. They are both recommended - though different. Both give you the chance to interact with locals and hear their point of view about their city.

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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 05:54 AM
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Former President raquel_z: did your Lenguas Vivas skills allow you to "get" the "seria como perro en bote" saying? LOL!!!
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Old Mar 20th, 2007, 06:15 AM
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That's <b> <font color="cyan"> President Emeritus !!! </font></b>

Mas o menos...
Si yo hubiera pasado mas tiempo estudiando y menos tiempo paseando y comiendo, yo habria aprendido mas y habria entendido mejor...

But as far I can figure it boils down to very serious....

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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 10:05 AM
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&quot;Both give you the chance to interact with locals and hear their point of view about their city.&quot;

If you are seroiues about it, give this group a try too, The English of Buenos Aires. http://www.theenglishgroup.com.ar/

I went for one night and found it to be very diverse group of friendly Portenos who like to talk. It is definitely not for shy people.

THIS IS NOT TO SAY DO NOT TO GO ON THE REAL BUENOS AIRES TOUR!

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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 10:27 AM
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I just had a chance to look at this site and also at the one Scarlett recommended. They both look good. Any opportunity to meet locals and to see things the 'average' tourist will not see, is a bonus.
I look forward to hooking up with these individuals, and of course, to AV.

I'm not sure if we should stay in the city for the whole 2 weeks, or venture out on either day trips or for a 3 or 4 day trip somewhere. Any suggestions? I don't ride horses!! I love beautiful scenery, especially mountains, and coastlines...also rugged landscapes. I'm not particularly interested in wineries... I don't drink.
I'd love some ideas.. or is there enough to see and do in BsAs? Silly question, I know!!
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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 10:50 AM
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Well, Ms. President, if the weather forecast is good, maybe you could go to one of our beaches, which will be empty before Christmas. They should also be cheap, at that time. You don't need to plan ahead, just jump into a bus, ride for 5 hours and you are there.

Day trips often mentioned are to Colonia or to an &quot;estancia&quot;. Please research both, to find out whether or not you like these ideas.
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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 04:03 PM
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Ok boss, I'll do the research. We have talked about going to a beach for a few days. What about Punta del Este in Uruguay? I've heard it is beautiful. What beach would we go to in Argentina?
If we did ride on a bus for 5 hours, what kind of scenery would we see? Would it be a beautiful ride?
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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 04:10 PM
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I would definitely go to Tigre for a day, or even overnight..I would go to an estancia, you don't have to ride but you can see gauchos at work, they do dinners and shows for people too, and Colonia for a day.
You will be surprised at how fast the days go by, 2 weeks sounds like a lot of time until you are there

Punta del Este sounds good too.. saintba on TA has a home there, maybe he will notice this and post some info for you.
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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 04:20 PM
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Actually, Puntalugano,(Phil)who I notice has posted here once or twice and posts in &quot;that other place&quot; would be a far better source for Punta del Este info for you Kodi - especially if you want to maintain your position as President of AVs fan club...
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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 04:25 PM
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Sorry, yes, Phil is an excellent source, but I did not know he posted on Fodors.
I don't understand about the loss of position in the fan club but most of this is going over my head anyway

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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 04:57 PM
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Phil (Punta Lugano) LIVES most of the year in Punta del Este and is an excellent AND unbiased source of information about it.

What Raquel means is that if the President of my fan club (kodi) asks saintba for information she is liable to lose her job.

Raquel sure knows what she is talking about. LOL!!!

More seriously, Punta del Este is great, particularly BEFORE Christmas, but you have to take a boat and then a bus, unless you fly. You'd also need to rent a car there.

I was there late last year and had a great barbecue at Phil's beautiful home.
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Old Mar 21st, 2007, 05:12 PM
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<i>&quot;&quot;What Raquel means is that if the President of my fan club (kodi) asks saintba for information she is liable to lose her job&quot;</i>

I see.
I have to concentrate on managing our move to Buenos Aires more and quit trying to keep up with the behind the scenes stuff .. although Saintba was extremely helpful to us with our visit to Buenos Aires .
Ciao~
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Old Mar 22nd, 2007, 01:44 AM
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There are several interesting day trips that you might consider:

1. Estancia. Many estancias are set up as &quot;dude ranches&quot; these days....with a day in the countryside specifically for tourists....a BBQ lunch, gaucho displays of horsemanship, a small stage show with song and dance from various regions of the country, and so forth. And if you want to ride a horse, you can take a stroll around the pasture by horseback or in a wagon.

If you would a more relaxing day in the country and a much longer horseback ride and a bbq lunch...Anna and Pancho's Estancia los dos Hermanos is highly recommended. They will match horse to rider (from never-ridden-before-in-my-life to expert), assign you a guide and let you ride to your heart's content, with a return to the ranch house for lunch to break the AM and PM rides. One of the most enjoyable experiences I have had in Argentina....
http://www.estancialosdoshermanos.com/

2.Tigre/Delta. The river delta near Tigre is a labyrinth of small islands and channels. The area is home to many people who live on the various islands...there are a couple of lodges and restaurants as well...but the real attraction is the opportunity to spend a relaxing time on the water and to watch for various forms of wildlife that inhabit the region. You can take the train to Tigre and hop aboard one of the water taxis for very little money. Or, you can charter a boat for a more in-depth experience. AV's nephew owns a charter boat. In addition to being an experienced captain, Santiago is a nature lover...he will help you identify the various birds and other forms of wildlife and entertain you with his stories.

http://www.barbacharters.com.ar/

3. A day at the wild life park...This animal park is extremely well done...and features everything from penguins to white tigers.

Another fascinating adventure...
http://www.temaiken.com.ar/

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Old Mar 22nd, 2007, 09:07 AM
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If you do not mine me asking how do you get out and back from Los dos Hermanos when you are staying in BA?

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Old Mar 22nd, 2007, 01:30 PM
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Thank you all so much for the great ideas. I've made note of them and will do lots of reading on them.
And I'll check out the 'other' place for information on Punta del Este.

I think I will go away now for awhile and do all my reading ..
And then I still have to wait for my friend to go through everything to see what she wants to do.

SO much to see and do... definately more than one trip!!
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