Would you like to comment on the London riots on Saturday, 8/6/11
Aug 8th, 2011, 02:13 PM
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Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange is 40 years old and it pretty much depicted how things look now. Just a coincidence or have the seeds of all of this been visible for so long?
I was watching the government officials announcing, "We are against violence, we are against thuggery." Do they really believe that such a meaningless statement is going to change anything? Shouldn't they be trying to understand what is happening rather than just saying "this is bad"?
I was watching the government officials announcing, "We are against violence, we are against thuggery." Do they really believe that such a meaningless statement is going to change anything? Shouldn't they be trying to understand what is happening rather than just saying "this is bad"?
Aug 8th, 2011, 02:15 PM
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Oh come now, bring in the army?? Don't get me wrong, being trapped in your home because looters are rampaging around is awful, unacceptable. But alanRow is right, armies aren't police forces, they aren't trained to be, and surely no one thinks firing on fellow citizens is called for. Fortunately, the idea seems to be being considered only here in the Lounge. And, more seriously, I have no idea what the authorities will do to reestablish order.
Aug 8th, 2011, 02:25 PM
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"You are right alanRow - this is working much better. Keep up the good work so far at containment. Clearly it is all under control."
I can't see how closing the whole of the London Transport system is going to flummox the rioters when most of the rioters are rioting within a few hundred yards of their homes.
And as for sending the troops in - they aren't trained for riot control these days, so what exactly could they do?
I can't see how closing the whole of the London Transport system is going to flummox the rioters when most of the rioters are rioting within a few hundred yards of their homes.
And as for sending the troops in - they aren't trained for riot control these days, so what exactly could they do?
Aug 8th, 2011, 02:26 PM
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For crying out loud - I didnt mean bring in the army to start shooting people - maybe I should have phrased it better, but I am a bit freaked out because the town center a block from my house is on fire - BRING IN SOME BACK-UP TO HELP DEAL WITH THE YOBS AND RESTORE ORDER TO SOCIETY.
In Canada when there has been civil unrest they have brought the army in to restore order, so its not a crazy thing to suggest. They are man power on the streets to re enforce police. They dont come in and gun down everyone - geez.
Do we just sit here and let them burn down and loot the city until there is nothing left?
In Canada when there has been civil unrest they have brought the army in to restore order, so its not a crazy thing to suggest. They are man power on the streets to re enforce police. They dont come in and gun down everyone - geez.
Do we just sit here and let them burn down and loot the city until there is nothing left?
Aug 8th, 2011, 02:54 PM
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There are riots in a number of locations, so the police are probably already spread quite thinly. I don't think they can summon up extra resources that easily, or they already would have.
You just have to sit tight, unfortunately, and it will pass.
You just have to sit tight, unfortunately, and it will pass.
Aug 8th, 2011, 03:34 PM
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Oh -Jamikins that is sooo scary. Stay safe.
To give an idea look at this interactive map
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-London.html
From over here it looks a lot like the Met just has lost the ability to deal w/ these sorts of things. The anarchist/student riots unnecessarily got completely out of hand and these are even worse.
To give an idea look at this interactive map
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-London.html
From over here it looks a lot like the Met just has lost the ability to deal w/ these sorts of things. The anarchist/student riots unnecessarily got completely out of hand and these are even worse.
Aug 8th, 2011, 03:40 PM
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My quote of "The Empire Strikes Back" refers to the long-ago domination of many European countries over other countries (including the U.S., which long ago lost its claim to rightousness). What you do wrongly has a tendency to bite you back in the ass.
Aug 8th, 2011, 03:45 PM
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Well we are sitting tight. The town centre is on fire and there are riots and fires all over London boroughs. Fire crews are on the scene, but its still very scary and looting and rioting continues unabated. Cant think of how this will be resolved or stopped. Once they loot and burn down one town centre they move onto the next and the police just cant keep up.
I still think they should bring in the troops - something drastic needs to be done, not like shooting, but some authority of some kind! Tear gas perhaps?
I still think they should bring in the troops - something drastic needs to be done, not like shooting, but some authority of some kind! Tear gas perhaps?
Aug 8th, 2011, 03:49 PM
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Ps - I was referring to the comment that suggested people having their houses burned down is some sort of righteous punishment for colonialism.
I wonder if someone else can get in a jibe about teeth.
I wonder if someone else can get in a jibe about teeth.
Aug 8th, 2011, 04:01 PM
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Its safer to stay put, we are a few blocks from the fire and can keep an eye on it from our balcony. We are in a new build that is hopefully well built for fires. I dont want to be outside at 1am with the rioters and there is no transportation at this time (plus its all shut and we dont have a car). Just praying morning comes quickly so we can reassess. It is going to be a long night.
