Would you like to comment on the London riots on Saturday, 8/6/11
Aug 9th, 2011, 12:29 AM
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Ugh, I'm in Clapham and the little thugs were out and about last night trashing Northcote Rd. Absolutely no political motivations, just wanting to steal stuff. It took the police NINETY minutes to show up and they had free reign at Debenhams, Currys, etc. Once the police finally did show up it was endless sirens and helicopters. You could see the yobs running home through the common with their balaklavas and hoods on. Worried about tonight as well. I hope they institute a curfew and shoot them w/ rubber bullets if they try to defy it.
Aug 9th, 2011, 12:53 AM
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Bikerscott took some pics last night from our balcony and we did a walk around this morning to see the damage.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...5aa587d&type=1
Not nearly as bad as we thought, still bad though. And we werent even that badly hit.
Sorry - something drastic needs to be done to restore order. Vigilantism doesnt seem to be a good idea - I dont understand the hesitancy to clamp down - bring in the army to patrol the streets and bring order - why on earth is everyone pussy footing around these crazy criminals and letting them run the show???
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...5aa587d&type=1
Not nearly as bad as we thought, still bad though. And we werent even that badly hit.
Sorry - something drastic needs to be done to restore order. Vigilantism doesnt seem to be a good idea - I dont understand the hesitancy to clamp down - bring in the army to patrol the streets and bring order - why on earth is everyone pussy footing around these crazy criminals and letting them run the show???
Aug 9th, 2011, 01:02 AM
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"What else can you do when the Mayor and PM won't take the incidents seriously."
Given that both Bojo & Call-Me were involved in regular rioting when at university they probably think all this is a bit of a jape.
Given that both Bojo & Call-Me were involved in regular rioting when at university they probably think all this is a bit of a jape.
Aug 9th, 2011, 01:32 AM
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I am sitting in Australia watching this, and wondering where the control is.
This is not a protest, but a chance to be an absolute yob. These young men (can't see many women) are acting like animals, and I for one would have no problems dropping tear gas near them or even hitting them with rubber bullets. Bring in the army, and put them in cages where they belong. If you act like animals then you should be treated like animals.
would not care even how old they are. Enough of social niceties. these thugs have caused a lot of damage and human suffering.
This is not a protest, but a chance to be an absolute yob. These young men (can't see many women) are acting like animals, and I for one would have no problems dropping tear gas near them or even hitting them with rubber bullets. Bring in the army, and put them in cages where they belong. If you act like animals then you should be treated like animals.
would not care even how old they are. Enough of social niceties. these thugs have caused a lot of damage and human suffering.
Aug 9th, 2011, 01:36 AM
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Trust me, plenty of women (aka teenage girls) are involved. They were filming on the streets in Clapham last evening during the looting and there was a goodly amount of girls getting involved in looting the Debenhams department store.
Aug 9th, 2011, 01:54 AM
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I'm glad to hear you are ok jamikins, it must have been terrifying.
I stand by my 'simplistic' description of this being underclass scumbags and not having any sympathy for them. Yes, it's hard growing up on some of those estates, but you still have choices. I have some sympathy for the very young involved, those under 16, but over that, your choice to act like this and there ARE organisations offering help and advice to young people in the area who want to reject this type of thing. I know this because I have several of these organisations as clients and they do everything they can for these kids.
This is just their idea of fun and excitement. And the chance to get a nice tv/booze/ipod/phone and to 'love the sound of breaking glass'.
I shocked myself this morning by thinking 'omg, they need to bring in a curfew and the army.' not to shoot people but just to keep the streets clear while this is brought under control. Then I thought again - using our army against our own people - event the scumbag underclass - is something I hope I never see.
I stand by my 'simplistic' description of this being underclass scumbags and not having any sympathy for them. Yes, it's hard growing up on some of those estates, but you still have choices. I have some sympathy for the very young involved, those under 16, but over that, your choice to act like this and there ARE organisations offering help and advice to young people in the area who want to reject this type of thing. I know this because I have several of these organisations as clients and they do everything they can for these kids.
This is just their idea of fun and excitement. And the chance to get a nice tv/booze/ipod/phone and to 'love the sound of breaking glass'.
I shocked myself this morning by thinking 'omg, they need to bring in a curfew and the army.' not to shoot people but just to keep the streets clear while this is brought under control. Then I thought again - using our army against our own people - event the scumbag underclass - is something I hope I never see.
Aug 9th, 2011, 02:00 AM
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I am all for bringing in re-inforcements. Who has the upper hand here - why is everyone so afraid of showing authority and discipline? This society is broken because no one is held accountable for anything and everyone is afraid to show some discipline and pussy foot around.
Using the army against our own people is harsh - but so is our own people trashing, looting and burning down our town centres.
Like I said - not for the army gunning down people in the street - but showing a prescence and potentially clamping down using tear gas and at worst water cannons is sometimes required. I have never see anything like I saw last night - these yobs are out of control and we need to get the upper hand and it is clear to me that the police are not enough.
Using the army against our own people is harsh - but so is our own people trashing, looting and burning down our town centres.
Like I said - not for the army gunning down people in the street - but showing a prescence and potentially clamping down using tear gas and at worst water cannons is sometimes required. I have never see anything like I saw last night - these yobs are out of control and we need to get the upper hand and it is clear to me that the police are not enough.
Aug 9th, 2011, 02:06 AM
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". I can't fathom she actually wants us to believe this drivel about police cuts."
Learning basis arithmetic might help
The Met has 32,000 officers (more per head than many other major world capitals, and roughly the same as New York). That number has fallen by just 900 in the past year.
A 3% increase in current numbers wouldn't have saved a single off licence.
Learning basis arithmetic might help
The Met has 32,000 officers (more per head than many other major world capitals, and roughly the same as New York). That number has fallen by just 900 in the past year.
A 3% increase in current numbers wouldn't have saved a single off licence.
Aug 9th, 2011, 02:27 AM
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<i>alanRow wrote: Given that both Bojo & Call-Me were involved in regular rioting when at university they probably think all this is a bit of a jape.<i/> I'm still having a giggle at that - thanks for the smile!
<i>kerouac wrote: If you put them in cages, they will breed.</i> insert collective shudder here.
flanneruk - aahh, there you are, was wondering where you were. Not so much my "basis" arithmetic as questioning the worth of funding cuts. Yes jobs have been/are being cut in the police force, and apparently these have been "desk jobs", yeah right. Perhaps the money "saved" could have been spent on upgraded training for police. Either way, control has been squandered and the funding cuts in this area can't be helping things.
jamikins - thank you for the photos of Woolwich and whilst the aftermath isn't as bad as it sounded last night, it's still not good. May they be done with it and tonight be quite (well, we can dream).
<i>kerouac wrote: If you put them in cages, they will breed.</i> insert collective shudder here.
flanneruk - aahh, there you are, was wondering where you were. Not so much my "basis" arithmetic as questioning the worth of funding cuts. Yes jobs have been/are being cut in the police force, and apparently these have been "desk jobs", yeah right. Perhaps the money "saved" could have been spent on upgraded training for police. Either way, control has been squandered and the funding cuts in this area can't be helping things.
jamikins - thank you for the photos of Woolwich and whilst the aftermath isn't as bad as it sounded last night, it's still not good. May they be done with it and tonight be quite (well, we can dream).
Aug 9th, 2011, 02:53 AM
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Here is a map of where the rioting is occurring.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msi...39294,0.630341
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msi...39294,0.630341
Aug 9th, 2011, 02:55 AM
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>>Belfast have offered to send over 2 water cannons but they have been turned down???<<
They work on large crowds gathering - and staying - in one place. They don't work on people who melt away into the side streets when the police turn up and then re-group somewhere else.
They work on large crowds gathering - and staying - in one place. They don't work on people who melt away into the side streets when the police turn up and then re-group somewhere else.
