PatrickLondon

>>Again, completely fail to understand why new immigrants move to these areas when they could move in anywhere<<

That's simple. New immigrants tend to settle where there is already a familiar community and where they feel welcome - and where accommodation is affordable, which cuts out a lot of places.

But I'd be very surprised if that had any relevance to this: it's all England to a china orange that these youngsters are at least one, probably two, generations removed from immigrants, and for whatever reason have settled for trying to be big fish in the small and deprived pond they know, rather than the usual routes to self-advancement in the wider world (which, particularly in relation to housing, are not that easy).

crellston

Bring on the tear gas and rubber bullets. If the police can't handle it then bring in the army (or at least those that aren't in Afghanistan). There is a need to act decisively and to be seen to act decisively, before the silent majority decide to stop standing around spectating and take law into their own hands.

flanneruk

"Here is a map of where the rioting is occurring."

It isn't

It's an amazingly sloppily defined map of where some people claim rioting HAS occurred at some point over the past three days.

Bad cartography by Google and this idiot poster's inability to distinguish between "is" and "was" are a perfect example of how misleading rumours proliferate on the web.

EnglishOne

Oh flanneruk, I think you must fancy me... following me around the boards.. teasting me....you little flirt, you!

One only has to look at your comment about being 'Cameron's biggest fans' then waffle on to say how bad his leadership is, to see just how 'idiotic' you are.

You flirt. ;-)

willit

Technically, you seem to be following Flanneruk, as his posts proceed yours on both the London riot threads.

I'm not sure how bad this is going to get. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if our local scum decided they wanted some free goods this evening.

It is quite disturbing, I'm coming over all "Daily Mail"

LondonYank

I think Balham/Tooting is going to get it tonight, if I had to hazard a guess. Possibly Putney high street as well.

Fidel

No help here, just an article on how Philadelphia is dealing with unruly yoots:

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...iversity-city/

9pm curfew on weekends, and if the parents don't promptly pick them up after detention they are turned over to HHS.

Clifton

Wouldn't it be easier to collect them all at leisure if you took the animal analogy to a logical end and forewent rubber bullets for tranquilizer darts? You could easily even tag them for tracking and later collection, keeping them on a short leash until such time they could work themselves silly rebuilding public property and these people's lives, businesses and homes.

bardo1

Pakistan has now advised its citizens not to travel to the UK due to high levels of violence.

jamikins

My friend had the idea of drenching them all in that special water banking trucks use thats impossible to get off - then they could just go around with an infrared light arrest them all the next day - brilliant!

nona1

I think the idea of a city wide curfew for minors is a terrible one, there's only a tiny minority that cause trouble, so it's not fair to punish all of them. Teenagers are getting demonised too much these days as it is. Apart from having their trousers round their ankles, most of them are ok.

LondonYank

Sorry Nona, I disagree completely with you. Law abiding, well behaved teenagers will understand that this is not punishment.

avalon

Watch this brave old Granny giving em hell!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-Hackney.html

jamikins

Totally disagree with you nona1 - put in a curfew for 2-3 weeks, get the morons off the streets and get the city back to normal. Then the law abiding people can roam freely in safety. I highly doubt the law abiding public would find this a problem.

They have already shut off all our transit links, closed all businesses in the area and cleared our town centre. A curfew to stop the terrorizing would be I think welcomed!

Bitter

It always surprises me how many people are careful not to blame the criminals, or qualify their criticism by noting that they are poor, foreign, disenfranchised, etc.

That's just a patronizing and PC excuse. This is criminal and very dangerous behavior. We saw similar activity by the "students" in the past year.

I'll let the psychologists ponder how these things work, but let the police and army determine how to stop it.
Yes, the army might escalate things and a thug or ten might be killed. Rather these thugs get hurt/killed before one single innocent person is hurt, though that may be too late.

cambe

The man who was found shot in a car in Croydon last night has now died.

The police MAY be allowed to use plastic bullets.

I don't understand this, injure the little scumbags and make them suffer real pain.

Ms May says it is not the British way to use water cannons, Well, Ms May they were used in Belfast about 4 weeks ago when a lot of young thugs ran a muck. It worked, they did't come out the evening after it and plastic bullets were used as well.

I thought the Met had been issued with Tasar guns?? If they have them why don't they use them?

PalenQ

It always surprises me how many people are careful not to blame the criminals, or qualify their criticism by noting that they are poor, foreign, disenfranchised, etc.>

It equally astounds me that folks like you can completely miss the sociolofgical causes of such pent-up emotions letting loose - you see a small picture but completely miss the big picture in your myopic take on this. There is indeed more than meets the eye here and British society should take a good look at itself and why these type of riots occur and so many partake - yes loot because they feel they have been unjustly left out of propsoerity, etc.

To not reflect and make adjustsments means more rioting.

To say this is just a criminal matter is so so naive.

Bitter

Pal, why do emotions justify this? We all have emotions, it is how we choose to exhibit them -- and how we let others exhibit them -- that define a society.

[By the way, what's your stand on spousal abuse? Well he was mad and she deserved it?!]

Basically, there is an underlying belief by those who mean well, that those poor people "just can't help themselves."

Fidel

"I think the idea of a city wide curfew for minors is a terrible one"

If you're referring to the Philly case, it's just over a couple areas of town on Fridays and Saturdays after 9. People were afraid to go into the downtown districts for dinner because of the robberies and intimidation. Aw, poor demonised babies.

Ms May sounds like someone PalBob and nona could support. She might have been caught by surprise on the first night, but the subsequent millions of pounds of damage, destroyed businesses, and injuries and death are on her.

jamikins

I dont think anyone is missing the 'sociolofgical causes of such pent-up emotions letting loose' - this society is broken and something needs to be done. But that cant be dealt with until order is restored to the streets and if that means using everything we can to get order restored (including tear gas, force and curfews) then I say do it. I have never seen such disregard for other humans, they are like animals. If you are going to destroy and loot than forget your rights - you gave that up with you broke in a burnt down someones life.

We definitley need to deal with the broken society - But I think a big part of the brokeness is that no one is held accountable for their actions. C

hildren run amuck with no discipline, teens are allowed to do whatever they please, and act like yobs, and the law abiding citizen is handicapped because they cant do anything that might hinder the yobs rights - what about our rights? Its just wrong. Enough is enough.

Tackle the riots and lootings by all means necessary and then we can tackle these big issues. Right now this just needs to stop.