You need to trace the people without symptoms. That means you either put in an ongoing test EVERYBODY program or you are just going to have smaller waves.

Most of the people with the virus have no to minor symptoms. If you come into contact with a person who doesn't know they have it. You develop a minor case that's no worse than your seasonal allergies. When finally a person tests positive things will have long spread around the community.

Even if you use the 14 day number if the virus goes undetected for two generations that's a month. Some people take 28 days to develop symptoms. They're contagious much earlier.

But you can't convince me having people spread out outdoors is riskier than having them cooped up like factory farm chickens.

Tracing apps are being considered and developed in many countries. I'm not convinced of their viability but I understand the theory behind it.

Menachem,
Borders will probably be opening up sooner than later. Poverty is just as deadly as this virus which is why we need to crank up the economy again. What I foresee is heightened safety measures such as masks, gloves, disinfectant and some social distancing in crowded places, which will either be recommended or required. Otherwise, life will go on, with or without the possibility of a second wave.

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Booked to travel to Perth in late October from UK via Dubai. Visiting friends and family. Also have an internal flight and accommodation booked in Melbourne so all in about 3 weeks sorted last week in Oct 1st 2 weeks in Nov. What's everyone's thoughts ???. Can you see travel from UK going ahead by then or are we best to cancel now and look to go in the future ???

I live in Australia, in Brisbane, and am wondering about some of the same things. I’m hoping we’ll be able to fly to Perth around the same time to visit our son and his family.

At the moment though, our state’s Premier is refusing to open our borders until September or later, possibly. And Western Australia’s Premier is equally as stubborn about opening their borders.

In your case you need Australia’s international border to be open, and no one has any idea when that will happen.

I think you’d be best waiting until/if your airline cancels your flights as then you should get a refund - unless you have refundable flights.

Never say never but I have my doubts about October.

The Morisson gov't is perhaps more pro-economy than some (shops never closed as long as carefully monitored distancing measures were implemented) but right now, progress in re-opening borders seems more tentative than some of the snippets from other countries. Currently, some state borders are still closed, even with new cases fairly low... usually single digits. Those states have been very pro-closure. Western Australia's Premier gave a hard push back to NSW's call to begin reopening to domestic tourism. WA also took a hard line with letting distressed cruise ships dock. If there's any place you're going to meet resistance, it's going to be that first landing in Perth.

Word is that Australia and New Zealand will open to each other for tourism for a period of time before opening to tourists from elsewhere. (I'm kind of excited about the prospect of a South Island visit that's light on traffic) But they don't yet even have a fixed projection on that "bubble" starting.

Here in Melbourne, we only just opened to allowing home visits of up to 5 people at a time. Cinemas, restaurants and the like will be closed a bit longer. Schools are just re-opening. They're not pushing the timeline much.

Word in Europe now is that there will be green zones accessible to tourists from countries that have an R0 of less than 1.

CounterClifton I’m trying to tell myself that visiting Orange in NSW will be the same as visiting Orange in France

cheska15 , I’m trying to convince myself that Port Lincoln is a fine substitute for Dijon/ Locarno next month....

Adelaidean I needed that laugh. Tragic isn’t it. We will both need a vivid imagination, or reach for the wine

Spain hopes to open their border to international travelers in July.

https://english.elpais.com/economy_a...om-july-1.html

Many thanks for this. Certainly given us food for thought. Wish there was a definite answer to all this and still not sure what to do for the best. Ah'll give it a few weeks see how it goes. Thanks again. Very much appreciated. Never been to Australia before and was so looking forward to it.

We were booked to go to Japan on the 26th of March. For about 3 weeks beforehand we didn’t know what to do and thought about cancelling our non-refundable flights and losing the money. But then about a week beforehand our flights were cancelled by Singapore Air. It was a relief to have no choice in the matter.

It took quite a while to get the money refunded to my credit card though.

I'm sure they're similar enough that you'd never notice. Basically, it's the same pubs, same fish n' chips shops anyway..

I've been scouring the map looking for a Tokyo, VIC but even zooming in hasn't helped.

(I really do think that if there's a silver lining to all this, it may be the one chance to see Milford Sound without the tour buses and whatnot if they ever work out that deal)

Scott Morrison reiterated today borders won’t borders for some time. Maybe we will get home to Adelaide later in the year.

What amuses me is people talking about travelling if they feel like it without any concern that they may be the ones to get sick.

I never fear the worst. Always stay positive and stick to the rules whatever they may be. Was only wondering if the general concesus was that International travel from UK to Australia might be open up by November. . If we have to move dates, so be it but it's the indecision of not knowing what to do.

Originally Posted by Myer View Post
What amuses me is people talking about travelling if they feel like it without any concern that they may be the ones to get sick.

Well, I could also get sick at home, or walking the dogs, or at the grocery store ...

Portugal is open for travelers in two days. We have a trip planned for mid-September. to early October. Too early to tell if we'll end up going, but I'm not postponing right now either.

Portugal is open to EU travellers in two days. There is still an EU wide ban on non EU visitors for non essential journeys, and that may well be extended, especially for countries like the US.

I remain optimistic as TAP starts back up with flights to Portugal from the U.S. on June 4.

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/fli...-resume-june-4