Renting Paris Apartment in 2016
Oct 4th, 2016, 01:49 PM
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Renting Paris Apartment in 2016
I know things have been changing re: Airbnb and VRBO (HomeStay) in 2016. I am taking my adult daughter and two teenage granddaughters to Paris for Thanksgiving week (US). It's the young women's first time abroad. We would like an apartment in one of these areas (1, 2, 3, 6, 7). How safe is it for us to pay in advance via Airbnb or VRBO? Who can refer to a place they have rented this year?
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Oct 4th, 2016, 02:13 PM
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I just got back from a week in Paris, traveling with my mom.
We stayed here:
http://www.parisvacationapartments.c...y-two-bedroom/
We really enjoyed the apartment & were surprised at how large it was. The location is great for walking to many areas & lots of good bus connections nearby. The one downside is that it is noisy on the weekends. On Friday night, there was music coming from the bars & loud people around until about 4 am. The apt. felt very safe as you had to enter 3 coded doors before getting into the building.
The agency was very good to work with. Met us at the apartment, showed us how everything worked, made restaurant reservations for us. The building was being painted while we were there, which was disappointing, but they let us know beforehand & gave us a 20% discount.
We stayed here:
http://www.parisvacationapartments.c...y-two-bedroom/
We really enjoyed the apartment & were surprised at how large it was. The location is great for walking to many areas & lots of good bus connections nearby. The one downside is that it is noisy on the weekends. On Friday night, there was music coming from the bars & loud people around until about 4 am. The apt. felt very safe as you had to enter 3 coded doors before getting into the building.
The agency was very good to work with. Met us at the apartment, showed us how everything worked, made restaurant reservations for us. The building was being painted while we were there, which was disappointing, but they let us know beforehand & gave us a 20% discount.
Oct 4th, 2016, 03:09 PM
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Blue eye. Why is it possible to buy drugs in U.S. ?
What does the authorities do ?
Law has been passed. Needs time to be enforced. And will always be possible to find illegal renters.
In Italy it is said that about 1/3 of transactions are illegal. You can choose to be part of it.
I don't.
Your choice though.
But don't tell me I am exaggerating. Rentals in Paris today are mostly illegal.
If (if) you care :
Citadines are part of hotel chains. They are legal they pay taxes. Air nab doesn't give a toss about legality they just give s listing.
But if you deal with agencies : refuse cash transactions and ask for an invoice. And see what happens. You don't ? You are part of the problem everyone does : illegality disappears.
Does it answer your question ?
You can still not care.
What does the authorities do ?
Law has been passed. Needs time to be enforced. And will always be possible to find illegal renters.
In Italy it is said that about 1/3 of transactions are illegal. You can choose to be part of it.
I don't.
Your choice though.
But don't tell me I am exaggerating. Rentals in Paris today are mostly illegal.
If (if) you care :
Citadines are part of hotel chains. They are legal they pay taxes. Air nab doesn't give a toss about legality they just give s listing.
But if you deal with agencies : refuse cash transactions and ask for an invoice. And see what happens. You don't ? You are part of the problem everyone does : illegality disappears.
Does it answer your question ?
You can still not care.
Oct 4th, 2016, 03:27 PM
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The Margaux apt is 676E per night when the OP is traveling. It has 3 bedrooms. If the OP has to rent 3 hotel rooms instead - Margeaux is 228E for 3 rooms. Doubt if they can find hotel rooms in Paris for anywhere near that - with a view of the Eiffel Tower, kitchen, separate living room, separate dining room, large balcony, washer/dryer, etc.
All of Paris Perfect's apts are registered & legal. We've stayed in one of them many times & are "in communication" with the owners (no financial or "other" connection - other than we like their "product").
Stu Dudley
All of Paris Perfect's apts are registered & legal. We've stayed in one of them many times & are "in communication" with the owners (no financial or "other" connection - other than we like their "product").
Stu Dudley
Oct 4th, 2016, 03:28 PM
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That analogy is absurd. Drug dealers are not transparent - they don't have websites accessible to the world and credit cards for payments.
Paris Perfect has been renting apartments for years. If it 'takes time' to be enforced then it is taking an awful loooooong time to shut them down.
FYI - Air BnB/VRBO are not illegal in Italy.
That analogy is absurd. Drug dealers are not transparent - they don't have websites accessible to the world and credit cards for payments.
Paris Perfect has been renting apartments for years. If it 'takes time' to be enforced then it is taking an awful loooooong time to shut them down.
FYI - Air BnB/VRBO are not illegal in Italy.
Oct 4th, 2016, 09:28 PM
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How do you know that particular apartment is illegal? That's a pretty tall accusation.
I don't find 600 euro per night (when the OP wishes to travel) for that apartment to be expensive, especially factoring in views.
If the city really wanted to crack down they would start with the high profile agencies one would think? Paris Perfect is one such agency and they continue to trade.
I don't find 600 euro per night (when the OP wishes to travel) for that apartment to be expensive, especially factoring in views.
If the city really wanted to crack down they would start with the high profile agencies one would think? Paris Perfect is one such agency and they continue to trade.
Oct 4th, 2016, 10:23 PM
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600 euros a night is not expensive.. well in your world perhaps.. but you aren't so removed from us little people to realize to most folks that would be considered an expensive rental fee. Views can be had cheaper and I have had them..
And yes.. most of the rental apartments are in fact illegal.. I have stayed in some.. and I was told there were in fact legal.. that the owners registered and paid fees.. etc.. but I finally found a website link someone provided where apartments that have paid all the proper permit fees.. and submit their taxes , are listed. The ones I have stayed in were not in fact legal.
Its funny how an apartment owner or agency might lie about that don't you think? What could be their motivation.. ?? hmmmm.. thinking thinking..
And yes.. most of the rental apartments are in fact illegal.. I have stayed in some.. and I was told there were in fact legal.. that the owners registered and paid fees.. etc.. but I finally found a website link someone provided where apartments that have paid all the proper permit fees.. and submit their taxes , are listed. The ones I have stayed in were not in fact legal.
Its funny how an apartment owner or agency might lie about that don't you think? What could be their motivation.. ?? hmmmm.. thinking thinking..
Oct 4th, 2016, 10:28 PM
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jusher.. wondering why you think you would like arrondissemonts 1, 2, 3, and 7th .. with teenagers.. those would not be my choices.. is there a specific vibe you are looking for? I have stayed in the 1st, and 7th, I find them a bit boring.. and I am a more than middle aged lady..lol
I would consider ( especially since you are only going a few nights) getting two hotel rooms.. two bathrooms and some privacy .. and when you arrive you can always check your luggage in even if room is not ready.. with apartments you often cant check in till later in afternoon and then what do you do with luggage? Same with check out times.. these aren't huge issues.. but why bother for only 3-4 nights?
I would consider ( especially since you are only going a few nights) getting two hotel rooms.. two bathrooms and some privacy .. and when you arrive you can always check your luggage in even if room is not ready.. with apartments you often cant check in till later in afternoon and then what do you do with luggage? Same with check out times.. these aren't huge issues.. but why bother for only 3-4 nights?
Oct 4th, 2016, 10:30 PM
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Blue eye. There was a lengthy discussion on the subject not long ago.
Some people find it normal to ignite the law - conveniently.
You are warned you do what you like.
It is funny to see that tax evasion is ok for some.
But when I read that D Trump found a way not to pay taxes for 18 years I suppose it is a normal behavior for some.
For me it is a theft. 600 euros a night should yield 200 euros of taxes. Not declaring means 60 000 euros stolen from authorities.
Much more than what the sellers at Barbes makes. But true the seller in Barbes doesn't take credit card. Makes him a bad guy.
Some people find it normal to ignite the law - conveniently.
You are warned you do what you like.
It is funny to see that tax evasion is ok for some.
But when I read that D Trump found a way not to pay taxes for 18 years I suppose it is a normal behavior for some.
For me it is a theft. 600 euros a night should yield 200 euros of taxes. Not declaring means 60 000 euros stolen from authorities.
Much more than what the sellers at Barbes makes. But true the seller in Barbes doesn't take credit card. Makes him a bad guy.
Oct 4th, 2016, 10:31 PM
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<i>How do you know that particular apartment is illegal? That's a pretty tall accusation. </i>
It could be legal. I believe that at least some of this company´s properties are but for this one, I could not find the city registration number required on any vacation apartment advertising.
Maybe I just missed seeing the number but without it, calling this unit illegal is not a <i>tall accusation</i> at all.
It could be legal. I believe that at least some of this company´s properties are but for this one, I could not find the city registration number required on any vacation apartment advertising.
Maybe I just missed seeing the number but without it, calling this unit illegal is not a <i>tall accusation</i> at all.
Oct 5th, 2016, 12:22 AM
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https://www.thelocal.fr/20161003/hot...elebs-in-paris
Well are you going to set the hounds on Kim Kardashian? Can you monitors check if her property is legal?
I find your grandstanding quite interesting. I did see some feeble attempts by the mayor's office to do 'raids' on some Air BnB properties in the Marais. As is my understanding, they send letters and then allow some time for compliance.
I agree with Jubilada - you must have a lot of time on your hands.
Well are you going to set the hounds on Kim Kardashian? Can you monitors check if her property is legal?
I find your grandstanding quite interesting. I did see some feeble attempts by the mayor's office to do 'raids' on some Air BnB properties in the Marais. As is my understanding, they send letters and then allow some time for compliance.
I agree with Jubilada - you must have a lot of time on your hands.
Oct 5th, 2016, 12:41 AM
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<<600 euros a night is not expensive.. well in your world perhaps.. but you aren't so removed from us little people to realize to most folks that would be considered an expensive rental fee. Views can be had cheaper and I have had them.. >>
It's not 'my world'at all. If 600 euro is split with adult family members it is very cheap. Certainly cheaper than separate hotel rooms with no cooking/laundry facilities, lounge areas and the privacy an apartment provides.
It's not 'my world'at all. If 600 euro is split with adult family members it is very cheap. Certainly cheaper than separate hotel rooms with no cooking/laundry facilities, lounge areas and the privacy an apartment provides.
Oct 5th, 2016, 04:10 AM
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legal or not , you may want to check the story from the horse mouth, that is Mairie de paris
http://www.paris.fr/services-et-info...faut-savoir_12
basically it says : if the owner lives there (or in the same building), it is perfectly legal and no registration is required from his side.
If he does not, then the appartment should be registered
http://www.paris.fr/services-et-info...faut-savoir_12
basically it says : if the owner lives there (or in the same building), it is perfectly legal and no registration is required from his side.
If he does not, then the appartment should be registered
Oct 5th, 2016, 04:45 AM
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<i>basically it says : if the owner lives there (or in the same building),</i>
I read nothing about an owner renting apartments located in the same building as where his principal residence is found.
The rental exception, which does not require registration with the city, is when an owner rents his own principal residence, whether he is away or not. To qualify for the exemption, the owner must occupy the residence for a minimum of 8 months per year.
The exception does not automatically extend to other apartments, within the same building, which are not part of his principal residence. Further, the exception is limited to a maximum of 4 months per year. The owner is still require to collect and forward the appropriate <i>taxe de séjour</i>.
Clearly, the government´s primary concern is the loss of affordable housing for residents. However, there are other considerations behind renewed efforts to control black market apartments: loss of tax revenues, complaints by neighbors, and the liability of lodgings which are not inspected and approved for commercial use.
I read nothing about an owner renting apartments located in the same building as where his principal residence is found.
The rental exception, which does not require registration with the city, is when an owner rents his own principal residence, whether he is away or not. To qualify for the exemption, the owner must occupy the residence for a minimum of 8 months per year.
The exception does not automatically extend to other apartments, within the same building, which are not part of his principal residence. Further, the exception is limited to a maximum of 4 months per year. The owner is still require to collect and forward the appropriate <i>taxe de séjour</i>.
Clearly, the government´s primary concern is the loss of affordable housing for residents. However, there are other considerations behind renewed efforts to control black market apartments: loss of tax revenues, complaints by neighbors, and the liability of lodgings which are not inspected and approved for commercial use.
