Paris to Moscow by Direct Train...
Dec 30th, 2010, 07:07 AM
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Paris to Moscow by Direct Train...
just read that it is possible to go from Paris (and a few other places in western Europe) to Moscow by direct train - or probably direct train car - a car that will be shuttled between other trains and finally get to Moscow.
Any takers for the direct Paris to Moscow train?
Any takers for the direct Paris to Moscow train?
Dec 30th, 2010, 07:14 AM
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Cath is right, old news....here is a link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11400917
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11400917
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Dec 30th, 2010, 07:46 AM
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Posters are confusing two trains.
There's a direct weekly Moscow-Nice train, operated by the Russians, stopping in Belarus, Poland, Austria and NW Italy.
There's a quite separate Russian-owned carriage on the two- or three-times a week Moscow-Berlin train that sits at Berlin all day, then gets hitched onto a normal overnight DB Berlin-Paris train.
Neither really let you get on and off, except that you can meander round Berlin during the day long wait on the Paris run. Both charge in the order of €300 each way minimum and take about 50 hrs each way: I'd have thought there must be cheapo planes for about the same price (airports around the Med have Russian flights on hokey-sounding airlines by the swarm), and that this has seriously limited potential.
http://eng.rzd.ru/isvp/public/rzdeng?STRUCTURE_ID=4127
The real excitement will be when the Russians run reliable 7-day freight trains from Shanghai to the main Western European inland ports at prices broadly competitive with seafreight.
There's a direct weekly Moscow-Nice train, operated by the Russians, stopping in Belarus, Poland, Austria and NW Italy.
There's a quite separate Russian-owned carriage on the two- or three-times a week Moscow-Berlin train that sits at Berlin all day, then gets hitched onto a normal overnight DB Berlin-Paris train.
Neither really let you get on and off, except that you can meander round Berlin during the day long wait on the Paris run. Both charge in the order of €300 each way minimum and take about 50 hrs each way: I'd have thought there must be cheapo planes for about the same price (airports around the Med have Russian flights on hokey-sounding airlines by the swarm), and that this has seriously limited potential.
http://eng.rzd.ru/isvp/public/rzdeng?STRUCTURE_ID=4127
The real excitement will be when the Russians run reliable 7-day freight trains from Shanghai to the main Western European inland ports at prices broadly competitive with seafreight.
Dec 30th, 2010, 10:39 AM
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The real excitement will be when the Russians run reliable 7-day freight trains from Shanghai to the main Western European inland ports at prices broadly competitive with seafreight.>
Uh uh what about differences in track width gauges between Russia and western Europe? This could well be one hinderance to that scheme - or as usual I could be dead wrong and mistakenly think there is a track width gague difference.
One thing for SURE is that flanner is ALWAYS right!
Uh uh what about differences in track width gauges between Russia and western Europe? This could well be one hinderance to that scheme - or as usual I could be dead wrong and mistakenly think there is a track width gague difference.
One thing for SURE is that flanner is ALWAYS right!
Dec 30th, 2010, 12:57 PM
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Not only is there a Paris-Moscow sleeping-car 2 or 3 times a week, there's a DAILY direct sleeping-car from Amsterdam & Cologne to Moscow, daily Vienna-Moscow, daily Prague-Moscow, several times a week Berin-Moscow & Berlin-St Petersburg, etc. etc.
The sleepers are modern, air-conditioned, comfortable, with eiter 1 2 or 3 beds depending on what you pay, washbasin, carpet,seats that fold out by day, and attendant who can make you lovely Russian tea.
They are the civilised 'no-fly' way to reach Russia.
The sleepers are modern, air-conditioned, comfortable, with eiter 1 2 or 3 beds depending on what you pay, washbasin, carpet,seats that fold out by day, and attendant who can make you lovely Russian tea.
They are the civilised 'no-fly' way to reach Russia.
Dec 30th, 2010, 01:02 PM
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Hey man - is the track width in Russia the same as in western Europe?
Thanks for the above info. You did not mention Nice to Moscow???
Glad to hear the sleepers are not the old 'hard class' I once took in the old Soviet Union!
Thanks for the above info. You did not mention Nice to Moscow???
Glad to hear the sleepers are not the old 'hard class' I once took in the old Soviet Union!
Dec 31st, 2010, 04:00 AM
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Russian, Finnish & Mongolian gauge is 5 feet, standard gauge in the rest of Europe, also China, is 4 feet 8.5 inches.
You can see photos of these direct sleeping-cars inside and out at www.seat61.com/Russia.htm.
I forgot Nice-Moscow, it's a whole train not just a through sleeping-car, recntly introduced, more for wealthy Russians holidaying in Nice than for westerners bound for Russia!
You can see photos of these direct sleeping-cars inside and out at www.seat61.com/Russia.htm.
I forgot Nice-Moscow, it's a whole train not just a through sleeping-car, recntly introduced, more for wealthy Russians holidaying in Nice than for westerners bound for Russia!
Dec 31st, 2010, 07:13 AM
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And do they lift the sleeping car bogies off bogies whose wheels are spaced for european or 'standard' gauge' or do the sleeping cars' wheels move in and out, like on the Catalan Talgo trains Montpellier to Spain?
Russian, Finnish & Mongolian gauge is 5 feet, standard gauge in the rest of Europe>
well Spain and Portugal also have a wider gauge though the new high-speed lines are being built to European 'standard' gauge as is used in the U.K. and Ireland as well.
Russian, Finnish & Mongolian gauge is 5 feet, standard gauge in the rest of Europe>
well Spain and Portugal also have a wider gauge though the new high-speed lines are being built to European 'standard' gauge as is used in the U.K. and Ireland as well.
