Paris Airbnb

Sep 9th, 2017, 02:06 PM
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>>starzizzle; Not one of the anti AirBnB people, perhaps half a dozen, suggested that AirBnB has been collection the city tax for almost two years now.<<

iris - yes they have. But the tax isn't the main issue. However it is one way the city will be able to identify illegal properties.

>>These are the same few people who jump on any thread that mentions AirBnB for years.<<

You are mistaken. it is only an issue where short term rentals are not allowed. I recommend airbnb properties all the time in London and other places.
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Sep 9th, 2017, 09:27 PM
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I think Airbnb will still be operating in Paris after October, Ker. It may well be at a much reduced level, but the business model it uses has been very popular; with built in security for both guest and host. That should keep at least some apartments available .

For example we will be using what I think will be a perfectly legal Airbnb in late September and early October. Our host really does live in his apartment most of the year, but travels for both business and vacations; so fits the requirements under ALUR. He has already applied for his registration number and is more than willing to jump through the bureaucratic hoops and pay the relevant taxes.

May I buy you dinner and/or drinks while we are there so we can solve this problem that has so many people upset?
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Sep 10th, 2017, 02:38 AM
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Like many, I have a problem with the confusion between pulpit and forum. I think it's important to let tourists know about the dangers of renting an illegal apartment. And that's it. If Paris couldn't get it together to be more aggressive about chasing wrongdoers . . . .

Yes, mass tourism . . . . a link to an article worth reading
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Sep 10th, 2017, 03:19 AM
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Airbnb's popularity, thanks to their business model, scared a lot of people, especially their competitors. Much like fake reviews on Trip Advisor, fake backlash is created to make as much negative noise as possible. Fake news, that's the way the world works these days. So many names on these travel boards are people who work in the industry. There is much to be disbelieved. There is a ton of self interest.

Venice has been a major tourist destination for hundreds of years. It's been a city in decline since the 16th century. Sure, a lot of people hate the cruise ships and the disrespectful day trippers. What would Venice do for money if it weren't for mass tourism? The city requires billions of euros to stay afloat. Paris, by comparison, is a serious working city. It's not an ancient floating museum that relies on tourist dollars to survive.

Young Italian women want to live a modern life. They don't want to deal with baby carriages on Venice's ancient bridges and stairs. There is a small group of local, vocal women who fight back. Their numbers are not growing.

Tons of foreign money has poured into rehabilitating abandoned buildings in Venice. Investors have a right to make their money back.

Locals who complain about the lack of affordable housing are justified. It's easy to point the finger of blame at tourists. It's a lot harder to figure out how the local authorities sleep at night for ignoring the needs of these deserving people for decades and decades.
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Sep 10th, 2017, 05:28 AM
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Belinda, those flats are gorgeous!
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Sep 10th, 2017, 05:57 AM
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Adrian Leeds, who rents apartmnts as Parler Paris, for one is well aware that her rentals are illegal and has petitioned to have the law changed. Those on her email list have seen a number of apartments up for sale rather than rent.

There is nothing on the Paris Perfect website to suggest that they are planning to comply with the law, as they are actively soliciting apartments to list as short term rentals.

(BTW, I don't know who else posting here is or is not employed in the tourist industry, but I certainly am not, nor have I ever been.)
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Sep 10th, 2017, 10:16 PM
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Last weekend's Figaro magazine had a feature on Venice.
The average tourist spends 160 EU on AirBnB, eating, and souvenirs.

The "Moises" contraption that is supposed to counter "acqua alta" does not work.

The cruise ship people spend almost nothing, because they are too busy taking selfies off the Bridge of Sighs and being railroaded up and down the bridges, etc.

There is a large Asian population going on tours in Venice.
Don't go in July or August - you'll regret it.
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Sep 15th, 2017, 12:52 AM
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ParisPerfect is a time-share.
Apparently, people buy time to share in their enterprise - or have other friends of friends who want to do that.
So, I guess it's akin to "fractional ownership".
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Sep 15th, 2017, 09:38 PM
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I will be around your hood next week. I follow this guy on Instagram and the video/pictures he is posting is just incredible. I gather he lives on the same street as yours. He got my curiosity up. I have never been on your street. You are one lucky lady!
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Sep 15th, 2017, 11:13 PM
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You must be talking about Willem (freeaparis). Aren't his videos special! Enjoy Montmartre!
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Sep 16th, 2017, 01:22 PM
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Indeed, there is no penalty yet for renting an illegal apartment. The principal reason is because most of the renters lie to the tourists about whether the rental is legal or not.

As I already wrote, wait until October when it becomes obligatory to post the registration number of vacation rental apartments in all of the ads. From that moment on, I would not be so sure that renters will be exempt from penalties and/or prosecution if they rent an unregistered apartment.
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Sep 16th, 2017, 11:39 PM
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kerouac makes a good point but city registration is mandatory for all vacation apartment listings starting this December. Sign up begins in October.

Le Figaro, in yesterday´s edition, had several interesting articles about vacation apartment rentals and what is being done to regulate them. There has been no penalties for renters who stay in illegal apartments nor for agencies who list illegal apartments; only owners have been fined for renting illegally.

With the implementation of required city registration numbers, those renting pied-à-terres or other properties not occupied by a full time resident, in order to obtain a number, will need to convert their properties to the status of fully commercial operations. Either that or the apartment must be occupied by its owner who is then limited to renting his residence for a period not to exceed 120 days annually.

There is also discussion by lawmakers to reduce the 120 day limit to 90 or even 60 days maximum a year.

Bnbsitters, a business that was started to assist foreign owners in renting out their vacation homes in Paris, has said that they are leaving the Paris market and concentrating their services in locations where there are no rental restrictions such as with mountain or beach properties.

Government officials have noted that on-line services, like airbnb, represent close to 75,000 units in Paris, rapidly approaching 85,000, the number of hotel rooms currently available in the city. On-line platforms operate properties as virtual hotel chains, those which do not meet commercial building codes nor pay taxes.

The vacation apartment industry is now big business. Hotel operators are very concerned about their futures, governments do not want to lose revenues, and residents experience increased pressure on apartment pricing due to investor interest and feel that their homes and privacy have been invaded by outsiders staying in their buildings.

Vacation apartments will continue to be available in Paris, specifically those which are legal. However, it will be interesting to note what happens to the number of listing at Airbnb, VRBO and others starting this December.
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Sep 17th, 2017, 03:16 AM
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New hotels are being built all the time in Paris.
Small boutique hotels are being renovated.

Most of this is being done to provide housing for the Olympics, but will be further re-purposed to provide living space for families.

Prices are DOWN in hotels - I can't stipulate that enough.

Many chain hotels offer free breakfasts, free WIFI, free stays for kids - though I would check for this on sites like

Apartments run about 35 square metres and rent for 950 or 1000 EU, and have many inconveniences associated with them - such as not being able to leave your luggage in the apartment if you have an early arrival, or having to face 5 flights of stairs every time you want to go out, or not having a quick response from the owner/manager if something goes wrong.

Granted, apart'hotels may lack the "requisite charm" that most people think they want - but they will have what you need.
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