StCirq

And to deal with all this you'll need to be prepared upon arrival to present yourself at the prefettura and explain it all, in Italian, and have all the paperwork (maybe translated into Italian - I dunno, in France it has to be translated), but I know you don't want to hear any more from "mommy," so I'll just let you work it out.

Oh, and welcome to FACTA.

IMDonehere

Thank you all for explaining the nuts and bolts that must be dealt with. Besides what was stated, I am sure there are other eventualities that must be dealt with.

Taxes the first year will probably be awful, as there would split residences. I am sure there is an Italian equivalency of the firm Goniff, Goniff, Schnorrer, that will help us through the morass that is taxes.

I am truly concerned about the complications of purchasing property. After reading some horror stories, it might be best for foreigner who is unsophisticated in the ways of Italian law, notaries, and real estate agents, not to buy an land directly. Thus I think we would get an apartment with a written guarantee that the land is free of encumbrances.

I found one ex-pat forum which is lively and current.

Fortunately we earn more than 38,000 Euros a year. And we also checked with Medicare and to maintain our place in the future, if needed, we need to purchase Part A but can forego Part B.

As my wife has spreadsheets for her spreadsheets and I have a decent BS detector, we are hopeful we can anticipate MOST major problems.

We are not entering this all dewy-eyed and giggly. We have both worked professionally in areas where we had to deal with vagaries of bureaucracies on a daily basis and we spoke the language. And we fully realize that will be unforeseen problems, no matter how will prepared we might be.

But I think what most prepares me best for all this is when I changed cable companies and disputed a bill.

Thanks again to all for the advice and concern.

IMDonehere

I do not think we would apply for Italian citizenship. There are many easier ways for us to become citizens of Spain, and thus many of the EU benefits (and failings) but we would have forego our US citizenship.

StCirq

It's forgo, not forego (two different words and meanings), in this instance, and I don't think you get the deal with citizenship in Spain and having to relinquish your US citizenship. Yes, if you have half a million dollars you can buy your way into a Spanish citizenship these days - is that what you're contemplating?

It's entirely possible to have dual citizenship. I have it. You don't have to give up your US citizenship. You ARE dewey-eyed and giggly.

If you think changing cable companies and disputing a bill is comparable to getting a wifi connection or even a telephone in Italy, you are so duped. Honestly, you have no idea.

IMDonehere

If you think changing cable companies and disputing a bill is comparable to getting a wifi connection or even a telephone in Italy, you are so duped. Honestly, you have no idea.
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That is what we call a joke in America. I am sure you remember them. They also have them in France. I know, once I almost laughed at a Jacques Tati movie. But like most grammarians, you write empty sentences eloquently.
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No, there are easier ways for us to gain Spanish citizenship other than bribing someone in the most corrupt country in Western Europe.
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BTW, everyone else has been civil, good-humored, and most instructive. And I must thank everyone else again for their generosity of time, spirit, information, and advice.

Next year we have already have our major planned but in 2018, there may be a scouting expedition in Italy.

bvlenci

I have triple citizenship: US, Ireland and Italy. I wouldn't want to live in a place where I couldn't vote, and that's one of the main reasons I became an Italian citizen.

Being an Irish citizen didn't really bring me any EU benefits. It might have made it easier for me to get a job in Europe back when I was working. It doesn't bring any health service benefits, which are based on residence (including length of residence), not citizenship.

In any case, you don't have to give up your US citizenship to take on another.

bvlenci

I chose to forgo Part B when I became eligible for Medicare, but then I did a little computing of the consequences and signed up for it a year late. If I were to return to the US, which I can't rule out, I would need both, and for every year you don't pay for Part B, the premium goes up by $10 per month. That's an increase of 10% per annum (not compounded, though). (That was a few years ago; maybe it's more now.) If I were to return to the US at an advanced age, with one foot in the grave, what I saved by not buying Part B might outweigh the cost of the additional premiums I'd have to pay from then on. However, on most reasonable assumptions, I'd end up paying a lot more.

I worry about the other parts I'm not paying for, which I can't even choose to sign up for, because they're based on your state of residence. The drug plan has some sort of penalty if you join late, but I believe they'll waive it if you can prove you were covered by an equivalent plan. The other plans, managed care and the like, are so different from one another that I've never managed to understand what the probably penalty would be for signing up late.

Basically, I don't understand health care in the US at all any more.

IMDonehere

Bvlenci

Our preliminary investigation indicated would we have give up our US citizenship to become Spanish citizens. For about 8 years my job to get around governmental regulations LEGALLY, and unless there is an out and out prohibition, I could usually find at least a partial solution. Right now, we do not want to pay someone to find that solution.

We just want to be respectful guests in Italy. There are too many variables as it is, and the more we can simply the process, the better.

Although I am well-versed in the political machination of the US and to a lesser degree Spain, Italian politics mystify me.

tower

<b>God Bless America!!!</b>....after 87 years I'm still madly in love with it..warts, politicians, and all! Been to 85 countries and there is not one of them that I would trade USA for.

IMDonehere

So, I guess will not a spare bedroom.

It is not dissatisfaction as much as we are ready for an adventure.

annhig

Bikerscott and I plan to retire to Italy (assuming Brits can still move freely by then!)

Our plan is a farmhouse in Le Marche near Urbino.

Seems like so long from now!>>

it'll arrive soon enough, jamikins, trust me.

IMDonehere, sorry I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I'm repeating what someone else has said, but I would seriously consider renting for a minimum of 6 months in the place you think you'd like to live, before you think about buying anywhere. I think that's good advice anywhere, but even more so in a foreign country, and it would give you a chance to start on the language.

Good luck!

bvlenci

Apparently Spain doesn't allow dual citizenship. The US has no problem at all with it, although at one time they did require you to renounce other citizenships. My father, for example, was a dual Irish/UK citizen and had to renounce both to become a US citizen. However, Ireland doesn't allow you to renounce your citizenship, which is why I'm an Irish citizen by birth.

The US no longer allows you to renounce your US citizenship, I've been told, because they want to tax you the rest of your life.

annhig

The US no longer allows you to renounce your US citizenship, I've been told, because they want to tax you the rest of your life.>>

bvl - it still appears to be possible to do it:

https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...tizenship.html

IMDonehere

Annhig

It is written in such a harsh tone.

IMDonehere

but I would seriously consider renting for a minimum of 6 months in the place you think you'd like to live, before you think about buying anywhere.
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It is a real possibility.

maitaitom

By the way, if you need a pool boy and chef, Tracy and I will work for food and board (ok, and wine, too).

IMDonehere

By the way, if you need a pool boy and chef, Tracy and I will work for food and board (ok, and wine, too).
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At least I can afford your food and board.

tower

IMDH...you say you want an adventure...stay within the USA...come to Ojai! I can promise you it's adventurous...with no language barriers. I even draw my drinking water from a windmill-driven well owned by a country musician, friend of my musician son.

Surrounded by massive avocado groves, olive oil mills, horse ranches, at least a dozen different festivals a year, and everything is organic, even the dog biscuits for puppy, and viagra if you wish.

Talk about adventure, every day is one!!!

Stu, Born-Again American and proud of it.!

IMDonehere

I will be sure to make it to your corner of the world and I know it would be fun. But as a native NY'er, there are few places as alien as Southern California.

tower

http://www.ojaivisitors.com/
http://www.bocaratontribune.com/boca...-to-the-earth/
They even love us in Florida!!!