Drug addict cleansing in France and Spain
Mar 27th, 2015, 10:45 AM
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Hey thanks dwdvagamundo. I think tobacco would be more difficult too. Good thing I didn't pick up that habit. I'll try the local language mass I'm looking forward to that and just walking around feeling alive again.
Mar 27th, 2015, 12:12 PM
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. I wish I wasn't such an abuser so I can enjoy it moderately like some people I know but I am so it is what it is.>
Again pot is not your problems - it produces at most mild withdrawal symptoms in a huge minority of people - you have been using pot as a medicine - seek physciatric help - your problem is not pot and you are in denial it seems that it is. Pot has been medicating you for 20 years and now your medicine is gone and whatever your inherent problem is is back in the fore.
Pot withdrawal just does NOT produce symptoms like that - no research or lietature says so and no one who has smoked like I have a lot and gone cold turkey when traveling never report any such dire symptons - seek psychiatric help for your real problem and please take this as trying to be helpful advice - get to the real root of your problem.
as for trains yes take the train - 2 hours from Seville to Madrid or so and about the same Madrid to Barcelona now with trains approaching 200 mph - quicker and cheaper than flying. book well in advance at www.renfe.com - Spanish Railways site and get deep discounts. See www.seat61.com for good info on that.
Again pot is not your problems - it produces at most mild withdrawal symptoms in a huge minority of people - you have been using pot as a medicine - seek physciatric help - your problem is not pot and you are in denial it seems that it is. Pot has been medicating you for 20 years and now your medicine is gone and whatever your inherent problem is is back in the fore.
Pot withdrawal just does NOT produce symptoms like that - no research or lietature says so and no one who has smoked like I have a lot and gone cold turkey when traveling never report any such dire symptons - seek psychiatric help for your real problem and please take this as trying to be helpful advice - get to the real root of your problem.
as for trains yes take the train - 2 hours from Seville to Madrid or so and about the same Madrid to Barcelona now with trains approaching 200 mph - quicker and cheaper than flying. book well in advance at www.renfe.com - Spanish Railways site and get deep discounts. See www.seat61.com for good info on that.
Mar 27th, 2015, 12:40 PM
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It might be worth mentioning in passing that Spain is perhaps not the best place to go if you are trying to avoid cannabis, since it is decriminalized there. You might find yourself with more temptation than you would like.
How about continuing on to Italy instead?
How about continuing on to Italy instead?
Mar 27th, 2015, 01:33 PM
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Exactly, Kerouac, although don't know much about Italy. I read that the police in Spain closed down 148 so-called "cannabis clubs" in Barcelona. No wonder kids gavitate to that city. Bravo to France if pot prohibition is extant there.
Mar 27th, 2015, 05:29 PM
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Actually, there are worse things than succumbing to temptation. They include finding yourself in jail due to a country's idiotic prohibition laws.
Just in general, though, it is not a good idea to be a foreigner in any country looking for drugs. Amsterdam may be the exception to that, but even there it is not a free-for-all.
So in addition to the already valid reasons for not wanting to resume smoking pot, add to that, while you are abroad, that strangers in a strange land are often putting themselves in the way of other risks by seeking out places to buy drugs.
PalenQ,
You are overreaching in trying to covert somebody who knows their own body to your beliefs. I am especially taken aback that people are suggesting other drugs. Some people do better in life without drugs, and without psychiatrists. And certainly without well-meaning internet advice! The OP came here looking for advice about how to access medical help if they came to the conclusion they might need it at some point. Plainly this is an extremely self-aware person, determined to take good care of themselves, and willing to get help if needed. Some people here are pushing an agenda on somebody who has no use for it.
Just in general, though, it is not a good idea to be a foreigner in any country looking for drugs. Amsterdam may be the exception to that, but even there it is not a free-for-all.
So in addition to the already valid reasons for not wanting to resume smoking pot, add to that, while you are abroad, that strangers in a strange land are often putting themselves in the way of other risks by seeking out places to buy drugs.
PalenQ,
You are overreaching in trying to covert somebody who knows their own body to your beliefs. I am especially taken aback that people are suggesting other drugs. Some people do better in life without drugs, and without psychiatrists. And certainly without well-meaning internet advice! The OP came here looking for advice about how to access medical help if they came to the conclusion they might need it at some point. Plainly this is an extremely self-aware person, determined to take good care of themselves, and willing to get help if needed. Some people here are pushing an agenda on somebody who has no use for it.
Mar 28th, 2015, 05:30 AM
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I am especially taken aback that people are suggesting other drugs. Some people do better in life without drugs, and without psychiatrists>
Unfortuntely the OP IMO is not one of these - he/she has been using cannabis as a medicine that was needed - taken away his medicine he/she reverts to symptoms of an anxiety dirorder - one of the most common mental problems in the U.S. and one of the most treatable according to professionals.
The OP's title - "drug addict" shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of what cannabis can and cannot do - does not produce drug addicts in the usual sense of the word - and shows he/she is in denial of the root of the problem - perhaps - he/she should seek professional opinions and that does not need to mean meds - pshcyotherapy also does wonders - doing nothing makes it only worse.
Yes he/she came here to learn how to acess medicla help - well nipping it in the bud may be the best way to prevent having to seek medicla help - doing nothing may be the worst thing.
Cannabis just does not produce such withdrawal symptons - no responsible literature or esearch TMK even hints at that - but such symptoms often do point to some mental angst - a common one - just read 1 in 4 American women take some kind of prescription drug for mental health - yes that isno doubt not needed on a wide scale but the OP's probem is not unusual but rather common. I hope he/she at least seeks the opinon evaluation of a mental health professionsl - who can object to that?
Unfortuntely the OP IMO is not one of these - he/she has been using cannabis as a medicine that was needed - taken away his medicine he/she reverts to symptoms of an anxiety dirorder - one of the most common mental problems in the U.S. and one of the most treatable according to professionals.
The OP's title - "drug addict" shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of what cannabis can and cannot do - does not produce drug addicts in the usual sense of the word - and shows he/she is in denial of the root of the problem - perhaps - he/she should seek professional opinions and that does not need to mean meds - pshcyotherapy also does wonders - doing nothing makes it only worse.
Yes he/she came here to learn how to acess medicla help - well nipping it in the bud may be the best way to prevent having to seek medicla help - doing nothing may be the worst thing.
Cannabis just does not produce such withdrawal symptons - no responsible literature or esearch TMK even hints at that - but such symptoms often do point to some mental angst - a common one - just read 1 in 4 American women take some kind of prescription drug for mental health - yes that isno doubt not needed on a wide scale but the OP's probem is not unusual but rather common. I hope he/she at least seeks the opinon evaluation of a mental health professionsl - who can object to that?
Mar 28th, 2015, 06:07 AM
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Plainly this is an extremely self-aware person, determined to take good care of themselves, and willing to get help if needed>
the 'help' they will get at any medical facility for those symptoms is somethinglike Valium or Xanax - thus the suggestion to have your own supply along so you are within literally minutes of relief - those things work wonders on symptoms described and yes are short-term fixes but I would say it would be mental security to have some with you - prescribed by your local doctor of course.
You say no - I say yes it would possibly be a good thing to have along as that is no doubt what any medical facility would give him/her in Europe or anywhere I believe.
the 'help' they will get at any medical facility for those symptoms is somethinglike Valium or Xanax - thus the suggestion to have your own supply along so you are within literally minutes of relief - those things work wonders on symptoms described and yes are short-term fixes but I would say it would be mental security to have some with you - prescribed by your local doctor of course.
You say no - I say yes it would possibly be a good thing to have along as that is no doubt what any medical facility would give him/her in Europe or anywhere I believe.
Mar 28th, 2015, 08:14 AM
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PalenQ...I agree 100% with your statements.
Those who have never had an anxiety disorder cannot understand the overwhelming symptoms that accompany the diagnosis. The OP most likely does not even understand his symptoms.
The OP needs to be properly diagnosed, but until that time he would probably benefit from some type of anxiety medication to be taken as needed for his symptoms. I would hope he would visit his physician prior to his trip to begin the process of evaluation.
Those who have never had an anxiety disorder cannot understand the overwhelming symptoms that accompany the diagnosis. The OP most likely does not even understand his symptoms.
The OP needs to be properly diagnosed, but until that time he would probably benefit from some type of anxiety medication to be taken as needed for his symptoms. I would hope he would visit his physician prior to his trip to begin the process of evaluation.
Mar 28th, 2015, 10:26 AM
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Those who have never had an anxiety disorder cannot understand the overwhelming symptoms that accompany the diagnosis. The OP most likely does not even understand his symptoms.>
hey hey - or know a close family member or friend who has gone thru this - I understand folks aloofness to taking pills - millions do take them without a bona fide need to do so perhaps but again don't throw the baby out with the bath water - anti-anxiety medications can work wonders but are a short-term fix to be followed by pyschotherapy, changes in lifestyle, etc. - and that is what the OP needs NOW - not later in Europe when it will be harder to get and even find at times an English-comprehending doctor IME of dealing with hosptial ERs - which is where he/she would go in any city.
It is hard to one to admit they have an anxiety disorder and that is often the major challenge to getting treatment, which once started often works wonders as anxiety disorders the literature says are one of the most successful or often hard-to-treat phsycholigical problems.
And OP should see if his/her insurance covers them in Europe in case they do need medical intervention and to buy supplemental coverage and trip insurance in case they have to return home due to a medical problem, amongst other unexpected things.
hey hey - or know a close family member or friend who has gone thru this - I understand folks aloofness to taking pills - millions do take them without a bona fide need to do so perhaps but again don't throw the baby out with the bath water - anti-anxiety medications can work wonders but are a short-term fix to be followed by pyschotherapy, changes in lifestyle, etc. - and that is what the OP needs NOW - not later in Europe when it will be harder to get and even find at times an English-comprehending doctor IME of dealing with hosptial ERs - which is where he/she would go in any city.
It is hard to one to admit they have an anxiety disorder and that is often the major challenge to getting treatment, which once started often works wonders as anxiety disorders the literature says are one of the most successful or often hard-to-treat phsycholigical problems.
And OP should see if his/her insurance covers them in Europe in case they do need medical intervention and to buy supplemental coverage and trip insurance in case they have to return home due to a medical problem, amongst other unexpected things.
Mar 28th, 2015, 11:47 AM
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Congratulations, Pegontheroad.
Respectfully, I will agree to disagree with the many opinions that have risen most notably the part where I've been using for 20 years. Day 6 and still not smoking. Yea baby. Very slight headache is the only withdrawal symptom lingering and will venture to say should be gone by departure. Will not need the meds you both are prescribing because anxiety is not what I used it for. Thank you and appreciate the alternatives but will keep to the itinerary. What would be more of use are opinions on fun stuff to do while there if you have time. Spur of the moment so have not had a chance to look these up but going to read the guides on plane. Down to try anything interesting, see famous art pieces, try new foods, so forth. Money not an issue as long as it's in line with cleansing theme. Once again, thank you for the mass details. Grandmother will be happy to see me inside Notre Dame and other various churches.
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Respectfully, I will agree to disagree with the many opinions that have risen most notably the part where I've been using for 20 years. Day 6 and still not smoking. Yea baby. Very slight headache is the only withdrawal symptom lingering and will venture to say should be gone by departure. Will not need the meds you both are prescribing because anxiety is not what I used it for. Thank you and appreciate the alternatives but will keep to the itinerary. What would be more of use are opinions on fun stuff to do while there if you have time. Spur of the moment so have not had a chance to look these up but going to read the guides on plane. Down to try anything interesting, see famous art pieces, try new foods, so forth. Money not an issue as long as it's in line with cleansing theme. Once again, thank you for the mass details. Grandmother will be happy to see me inside Notre Dame and other various churches.
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Mar 28th, 2015, 01:08 PM
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Be sure to visit a few of the parks in Paris. They are beautiful and it is very relaxing to just sit back and people watch. Grab a snack, sit awhile and just enjoy being in one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Should be good temps too for spending time outside.
We're heading to Seville and Madrid later this year so I will defer to you to give feedback on some of your favorite spots once you return.
We're heading to Seville and Madrid later this year so I will defer to you to give feedback on some of your favorite spots once you return.
Mar 28th, 2015, 02:23 PM
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You should make another post with your quest for travel info in it as that question will be lost in this thread.
Seems you made much ado about nothing with the screaming headline "Drug Addict Cleansing in France and Spain" - you obviously have no knowledge of cannabis and what it does to the body, which is nearly nothing - now to maleable minds the placebo effect can be strong.
Why did not you refute the 20 years thing before this - that made a big difference in what folks recommended- but any kind of heavy,meaning constantly to most, drug use is drug abuse in anyone's mind and drug abuse usually masks some kind of emotion/mental problem, even on a short term.
Your slight headache is in no way related to stopping smoking pot - medical literature will not support that - it's all in your head!
What I find disturbing is your Cassandra like screaming about being a marijuana addict caused other ill-informed folks to hop on that bandwagon - spouting nonsense they know nothing about.
Pot is a benign substance and not the evil weed you and Randolph Hearst make it out to be (see Reefer Madness) - I feel I was taken in by it all - voila all of a sudden your severe withdrawl symptoms disappear - again pot withdrawl does not cause and never has anyone severew withdrawl symptoms you describe. I'm not sure that you still do not need to seek help of some kind.
and start a new thread with your travel questions as they were will be lost in the fog of reefer smoke in this thread.
Cheers! smoking now for nearly 50 years! Don't be scared away from pot just use it wisely as most of us do - it can be a medicine with lots of things - migraine headaches one of the most likely but just a good way to relax and wind down at times when you need to.
Seems you made much ado about nothing with the screaming headline "Drug Addict Cleansing in France and Spain" - you obviously have no knowledge of cannabis and what it does to the body, which is nearly nothing - now to maleable minds the placebo effect can be strong.
Why did not you refute the 20 years thing before this - that made a big difference in what folks recommended- but any kind of heavy,meaning constantly to most, drug use is drug abuse in anyone's mind and drug abuse usually masks some kind of emotion/mental problem, even on a short term.
Your slight headache is in no way related to stopping smoking pot - medical literature will not support that - it's all in your head!
What I find disturbing is your Cassandra like screaming about being a marijuana addict caused other ill-informed folks to hop on that bandwagon - spouting nonsense they know nothing about.
Pot is a benign substance and not the evil weed you and Randolph Hearst make it out to be (see Reefer Madness) - I feel I was taken in by it all - voila all of a sudden your severe withdrawl symptoms disappear - again pot withdrawl does not cause and never has anyone severew withdrawl symptoms you describe. I'm not sure that you still do not need to seek help of some kind.
and start a new thread with your travel questions as they were will be lost in the fog of reefer smoke in this thread.
Cheers! smoking now for nearly 50 years! Don't be scared away from pot just use it wisely as most of us do - it can be a medicine with lots of things - migraine headaches one of the most likely but just a good way to relax and wind down at times when you need to.
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