Brutal Crack Down on Peaceful Environmental Protest
Jun 12th, 2013, 07:41 AM
#221
The PM told the Minister of Interior that he is giving him 24 hours to finish IT up. If he means the Taksim protests, it means the police will rush in to Gezi Park. possibly killing a few, injuring many and arresting those who cannot escape.
Of'course, they can wait another day for the rains to come here following Europe, making it very hard for many in the Park to continue to stay there; and then move. But no one thinks they are well endowed with grey matter.
Of'course, they can wait another day for the rains to come here following Europe, making it very hard for many in the Park to continue to stay there; and then move. But no one thinks they are well endowed with grey matter.
Jun 12th, 2013, 10:06 AM
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CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) journalists detained by police in Istanbul:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ed-turkey.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...ed-turkey.html
Jun 12th, 2013, 11:31 AM
#223
AKP spokesman stated after 4-5 hour meeting with party bigshots, PM and 11 selected citizens, that "They MAY hold a referandum" which may be decided at their next party central board meeting.
We understand that there are some peaceful good guys at the park, but I am sure that they have been infiltrated by bad guys also.
So, "we expect that the good guys, hearing that we may hold a referandum on the building of the artillery barracks and cutting of the trees will go home leaving behind the bad guys" implying that they will soon attack the park.
CBC reportes arrest also on local TVs here.
We understand that there are some peaceful good guys at the park, but I am sure that they have been infiltrated by bad guys also.
So, "we expect that the good guys, hearing that we may hold a referandum on the building of the artillery barracks and cutting of the trees will go home leaving behind the bad guys" implying that they will soon attack the park.
CBC reportes arrest also on local TVs here.
Jun 12th, 2013, 02:09 PM
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oc:
Who is this guy?
http://www.dha.com.tr/canli-yayin/
(I know that by the time you access this, he may not be doing an interview, but just in case you're there now...)
Who is this guy?
http://www.dha.com.tr/canli-yayin/
(I know that by the time you access this, he may not be doing an interview, but just in case you're there now...)
Jun 12th, 2013, 03:46 PM
#226
oc -- how is the Ottoman Empire remembered in Turkey? Is it held in high regard? (By others than the PM's party.)
It seems odd to me that he would want to revive the memories of its long decline in the modern era.
It seems odd to me that he would want to revive the memories of its long decline in the modern era.
Jun 13th, 2013, 06:58 AM
#227
Last minute news is that the police now reinforced with about 9,400-16,000 brought in from neighboring provinces, will be making the final and decisive attack against Gezi Park and any other pockets of protest or resistance.
The governor, a former police chief, apparently has four alternative plans to deal with different types of resistance.
We expect that they will try to jam and or restrict all TV broadcast from Taksim Square and Gezi Park when they start sometime within the next 18-20 hours.
They have already convinced many of their supporters that this whole situation is the result of the re-emergence of the Ottoman Empire and the Western fear and hate for the strength of Turkey. At least, this was the argument advanced by the driver of the taxi I took today.
This brings us to Fra Diavolo's question:
This government has dreams of resurrecting the Ottoman Empire which was actually the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire and had a bureaucracy almost exclusively composed of Christians converted to Islam. All Sultans since Mehmet II had Christian mothers and wives. The Turks in the empire were considered the lowest of the classes together with the gypsies and had no rights to private property. The Christian and Jewish minorities had more rights in terms of property but they had to pay more tax.
The above facts are not taught at schools and do not appear in high school books so people can easily be fooled by a glorious past which was basically a time of occupation by a power elite.
Government bureaucracies since the establishment of the Turkish Republic, unfortunately, continued to see themselves as a superior class, divorced from the "subjects", and most of the people, instead of fighting to become citizens, accepted being subjects, thus allowing military coups and dictators like the current PM to rise and even be elected.
The governor, a former police chief, apparently has four alternative plans to deal with different types of resistance.
We expect that they will try to jam and or restrict all TV broadcast from Taksim Square and Gezi Park when they start sometime within the next 18-20 hours.
They have already convinced many of their supporters that this whole situation is the result of the re-emergence of the Ottoman Empire and the Western fear and hate for the strength of Turkey. At least, this was the argument advanced by the driver of the taxi I took today.
This brings us to Fra Diavolo's question:
This government has dreams of resurrecting the Ottoman Empire which was actually the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire and had a bureaucracy almost exclusively composed of Christians converted to Islam. All Sultans since Mehmet II had Christian mothers and wives. The Turks in the empire were considered the lowest of the classes together with the gypsies and had no rights to private property. The Christian and Jewish minorities had more rights in terms of property but they had to pay more tax.
The above facts are not taught at schools and do not appear in high school books so people can easily be fooled by a glorious past which was basically a time of occupation by a power elite.
Government bureaucracies since the establishment of the Turkish Republic, unfortunately, continued to see themselves as a superior class, divorced from the "subjects", and most of the people, instead of fighting to become citizens, accepted being subjects, thus allowing military coups and dictators like the current PM to rise and even be elected.
Jun 13th, 2013, 01:04 PM
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Guardian now reporting that, after Erdogan gave his "final" warning and told the occupiers to leave Gazi Park ("or else"), the parents of the youth in Gezi Park have arrived and formed themselves into a human barrier against the police.
If the police do attack, then Erdogan has a great deal more to answer for than just "young ruffians".
If the police do attack, then Erdogan has a great deal more to answer for than just "young ruffians".
Jun 13th, 2013, 01:43 PM
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There were alrady human barriers composed of minority party deputies and actors and artists.
Currently, the PM is meeting a delegation from the Park and at the same time the governor is moving towards the Park to meet and chat with the protesters.
Let us hope that something better will come out now that there are more efforts made as alternatives to police violence although the AK Party speakers still talk of vandals, looters, marauders, etc. although there has been absolutely no looting throughout the whole affair and very few cases of vandalism especially in contrast to the damage caused by the police themselves.
Currently, the PM is meeting a delegation from the Park and at the same time the governor is moving towards the Park to meet and chat with the protesters.
Let us hope that something better will come out now that there are more efforts made as alternatives to police violence although the AK Party speakers still talk of vandals, looters, marauders, etc. although there has been absolutely no looting throughout the whole affair and very few cases of vandalism especially in contrast to the damage caused by the police themselves.
Jun 14th, 2013, 01:35 PM
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This is the only video that was dated today ...These young people seem to have fun singing Bella Ciao, an old Italian partisan song from WWII..
Perhaps the government gave them some good promises?I hope so..
http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/t...64?ref=HRESS-1
Perhaps the government gave them some good promises?I hope so..
http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/t...64?ref=HRESS-1
Jun 14th, 2013, 02:03 PM
#234
Unfortunately nothing much came out of the long meetings.
The Pm did back down on immediate construction of the barracks but legally he could not do it anyway because there is a stay order from court. But he did promise a local plebiscite if the government wins the court case.
However, he would not even discuss the other three demands :
- release all detainee protesters
- start legal action against those who ordered and/or committed police violence, or at least require that they resign.
- allow freedom of expression at any and all squares and parks of the city.
Not only that, but he has decided to hold three large hate rallies against. the protesters, and their supporters in Turkey and abroad thus possibly inciting his islamist supporters to riot and attack.
He has been telling his supporters that all that happened is the business of European and American enemies who are envious of Turkish successes and wish to pull the rug from under Turkey. That there is something called "the interest lobby" meaning people and institutions who like high interest rates???? and who have the power to initiate thiese kinds of protests.
I am afraid that there will be more clashes soon because the protesters are not going to back down and the PM will send not only his police but also his supporters fro some serious domestic violence.
The Pm did back down on immediate construction of the barracks but legally he could not do it anyway because there is a stay order from court. But he did promise a local plebiscite if the government wins the court case.
However, he would not even discuss the other three demands :
- release all detainee protesters
- start legal action against those who ordered and/or committed police violence, or at least require that they resign.
- allow freedom of expression at any and all squares and parks of the city.
Not only that, but he has decided to hold three large hate rallies against. the protesters, and their supporters in Turkey and abroad thus possibly inciting his islamist supporters to riot and attack.
He has been telling his supporters that all that happened is the business of European and American enemies who are envious of Turkish successes and wish to pull the rug from under Turkey. That there is something called "the interest lobby" meaning people and institutions who like high interest rates???? and who have the power to initiate thiese kinds of protests.
I am afraid that there will be more clashes soon because the protesters are not going to back down and the PM will send not only his police but also his supporters fro some serious domestic violence.
Jun 14th, 2013, 02:06 PM
#235
The governor asked all mothers to go to the park and to take their children back home with them.
As a result, about 500 mothers went and joined the protests at the park last night, forming a chain around the park, singing and chanting their solidarity with the kids.
As a result, about 500 mothers went and joined the protests at the park last night, forming a chain around the park, singing and chanting their solidarity with the kids.
Jun 14th, 2013, 06:54 PM
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Oh my ,, that sounds horrible , frankly he sounds like an evil PM,, not representing or RESPECTING the people at all. , he is trying to incite factions against each other.
My deepest condolences , it must be so frustrating to see your lovely country being destroyed by a meglamaniac ( my opinion on these types of leaders)
My deepest condolences , it must be so frustrating to see your lovely country being destroyed by a meglamaniac ( my opinion on these types of leaders)
Jun 15th, 2013, 12:46 AM
#237
Decision of the Taksim Resistance came out after long meetings lasting till 4 AM local time :
1. To continue the protests
2. To stay in Taksim Gezi Park night and day until decision to keep it as a Park is announced.
3. To remove all signs, banners, posters, posts of political parties, interest groups, ideologies or private companies, organizations and institutions from the trees, tents or any other structures within the park or at any location under the control of the protesters.
The primeminister's party rally in Ankara today can be a sign of what we may expect tomorrow in Istanbul.
In the meantime, there is a less than 20% possibility of intervention tonight in Taksim but increasing to 50% or more for Sunday and subsequent nights, even if there is no rioting as a result of the PM provoking the Islamist masses.
1. To continue the protests
2. To stay in Taksim Gezi Park night and day until decision to keep it as a Park is announced.
3. To remove all signs, banners, posters, posts of political parties, interest groups, ideologies or private companies, organizations and institutions from the trees, tents or any other structures within the park or at any location under the control of the protesters.
The primeminister's party rally in Ankara today can be a sign of what we may expect tomorrow in Istanbul.
In the meantime, there is a less than 20% possibility of intervention tonight in Taksim but increasing to 50% or more for Sunday and subsequent nights, even if there is no rioting as a result of the PM provoking the Islamist masses.
Jun 15th, 2013, 03:52 AM
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My views were added to files by Krushchow, Khomeini, Saddam, Mao's successors also, as well as monarchs and dictators of some other lesser countries. Has not bothered me yet.
My files with Uncle Sam are huge, going back to a number of CIA operators between 1958 and 1963 who taught me to play pinochle, euchre, badminton, enjoy barbershop quartets, crooners and Kingston Trio and who told me that I was a "capitalist at heart" when I tried to argue for socialism with them.
Then there was my graduate study in Denver including anti Vietnam War sit-ins, and papers highlighting American mistakes in international relations whose results worsened with some lack of compassion.
Later, my position as local managing director of an American multinational, board member of Turkish American Businessmen's Association.....
And currently, member of The Propeller Club, Port of Istanbul, and property owner in America.
As soon as they get tired of following me, I will revert to my MR. Hyde personality which I have managed to hide for almost seventy years. They should know by now how hard it is to deal with an experienced and trained paranoiac.
My files with Uncle Sam are huge, going back to a number of CIA operators between 1958 and 1963 who taught me to play pinochle, euchre, badminton, enjoy barbershop quartets, crooners and Kingston Trio and who told me that I was a "capitalist at heart" when I tried to argue for socialism with them.
Then there was my graduate study in Denver including anti Vietnam War sit-ins, and papers highlighting American mistakes in international relations whose results worsened with some lack of compassion.
Later, my position as local managing director of an American multinational, board member of Turkish American Businessmen's Association.....
And currently, member of The Propeller Club, Port of Istanbul, and property owner in America.
As soon as they get tired of following me, I will revert to my MR. Hyde personality which I have managed to hide for almost seventy years. They should know by now how hard it is to deal with an experienced and trained paranoiac.
Jun 15th, 2013, 04:00 AM
#240
By the way, re my very early posts showing discomfort with BBC, I saw on another TV Channel yesterday that they has cancelled their contract with the pro-government NTV in Turkey because of omitted and slanted information that was fed by them to BBC during the first few days of the protests in Turkey.
