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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 12:25 PM
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Thank you for all the insightful responses! To summarize the topics addressed, key qualities Baby Boomers seek in their travel experiences are (sorry for the generalization!):<BR><BR>UNIQUE LOCAL CULTURE<BR>WELL-BEING (healthy food, spa treaments, etc.)<BR>CULINARY INDULGENCE<BR><BR>One last question:<BR>As a baby boomer, would a boutique hotel in PROVENCE, BALI, and HAKONE (hot springs area in Japan) appeal to you?<BR><BR>Thanks so much for all the responses - they are VERY helpful!
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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 12:47 PM
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I'd really have to think twice about Bali right now, because of terrorist concerns. I may just be ignorant, but that's a gut concern of mine. Provence would be great, and the Hakone area looks fascinating, a combination of interesting culture, beauty and comfort. <BR><BR>What I am looking for in my travels is an &quot;experience,&quot; a combination of beauty, history, culture, and comfort. My sister and I are staying at the Hotel Eisenhut in Rothenburg this fall, lured by their &quot;Short Break in the Middle Ages&quot; package, which promised &quot;one candle-light dinner,<BR>one dinner with typical Franconian pecialities, a visit to the St. Jakobs church, entrance to the christmas museum and museum of crime and punishment, visiting the history cellars of the town hall, and a tour with the Rothenburg night-watchman. I don't know whether it's really a great value, but my sister wanted to stay at the Eisenhut anyway and the whole experience they offered pushed us over the top in spending more than we would otherwise. <BR><BR>
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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 05:40 PM
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Since you are posting the same thing on three different boards, let me repeat my comment on your US board posting: it seems to me that you collected a great deal of information and still came out where you began: leisure and food. A lot of market researchers tend to do the same thing -- they (often unwittingly) have an image or idea of where they think the results of a test group or survey will go, and they end up ignoring any information that doesn't jive with what they were expecting to find. You got a number of very good and very generation-specific suggestions here and in the US forum -- why ignore them? I wish you luck with your project, but people went to a lot of trouble to help you out here, so go the extra mile in your assignment and really read what they're saying, not just a formula that's easy to come up with (boutique hotel in Bali....).
 
Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 06:35 PM
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Born in 1962, my dream destination would be Tibet, Nepal and India because I would like the ultimate cultural experience....Hopefully my husband and I will get there before too long!!
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Old Mar 30th, 2003 | 06:48 PM
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Born '46, Around the world cruise stopping in all the countries possible is my dream vacation
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 04:48 AM
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Cassandra may have a point -- are you really reading everything? I wouldn't say culinary &quot;indulgence&quot; is quite it -- &quot;experience&quot; or &quot;adventure&quot; comes closer. And what about other comments? Music? Museums? Culture? natural beauty?
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 05:42 AM
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Such participation in this discussion - thanks for all the help!<BR><BR>In response to Cassandra's posting, I apologize for making it seems like I have disregarded your message. I have everything written down in my notes and I did find your message very interesting and helpful. My parents (baby boomers themselves) listen to music in the 70's all the time, so, believe me, I have an idea of how important it is to the baby boomer generation. The reason why I didn't further consider the idea is that I thought that it would be contradicting to have a lounge playing music in the 70's where local culture and experience is emphasized. I would appreciate any suggestions on what subtle ways are there to incorporate the music element into a hotel project.<BR><BR>In terms of room configurations, Is the major theme comfort? Nothing small and tragically hip. Correct?<BR><BR>Another attempt to summarize things baby boomers seek in their travel experiences:<BR><BR>Adventure<BR>Experience<BR>Mus ic<BR>Nature<BR>Culture<BR>Food<BR><BR>Based on these observations, is it fair to assume that MOST (not all) baby boomers prefer rural destinations (South Africa, Bali, Maldives...) to metropolitans?<BR><BR>Thanks again for the help! I appreciate the feedback!
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 08:19 AM
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Since your project is necessarily linked to the topic of your studies in the hotel industry, I'll try to add my thoughts to that topic.<BR><BR>My 'dream vacation' is, like it is for many, a moving target dictated by past experiences. I have probably 20 such trips I would love to take. If I could quit work and take them back to back, I'd probably sell the house.<BR><BR>What I'm looking for is entirely dependant upon the reason a particular destination calls to me. I am looking for 'authenticity' and 'variety'. I don't want an experience that is tailored to my demographic. My next major trip is likely to be Italy. I hope Rome to be Rome. I want the Tuscan countryside to be what it is. If that's relaxing, then great. If it is hectic and vibrant, then I will try to experience that for what it is. I don't wish to insulate myself to a packaged environment. I hope that makes sense.<BR><BR>In a hotel, my nod (and budget) goes to those who also adapt to the local environment. One that maximizes an exisiting unique structure, for instance, would be high on my list. I rarely expect a hotel to supply the entire experience. I am much more likely to look for various places outside of the hotel for dining.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 08:37 AM
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Hard to pick a single destination as a &quot;dream vacation.&quot; I will say that my last one, Switzerland/Italy in August, came as close to perfect as possible for several reasons...<BR><BR>1. It struck the perfect balance between beautiful, unspoiled non-touristy areas (nature trails, little villages, etc.) and overtly-touristic-but-darned-convenient locations (Luzern, Grindelwald, Bellagio).<BR><BR>2. More than one flavor. In just a short time and a small area, we got to sample 3 distinct and enjoyable cultures for the price of 1 trip.<BR><BR>3. Scenic splendor is always a plus, and nothing beats the Berner Oberland on this account.<BR><BR>4. Interesting old places (like Gruyere castle) are always a plus, too.<BR><BR>5. Food! If you can't eat well in Switzerland and Northern Italy, there's something wrong with you.<BR><BR>6. Excellent selection of mid-priced accomodations in great locations...bang for the buck, baby!<BR><BR> ~ Mr. Go (born in '63)
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 09:31 AM
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OK, what do I think about a boutique hotel in those three places. <BR><BR>Hakone, yes, definitely. But in Japan I would prefer a traditional Japanese ryokan. Hotel would have to have a definite Japanese air. Old Kyoto would be great, too.<BR><BR>Provence, yes, why not.<BR><BR>Bali, no. Not because of the terrorist strike, but because Bali is already full of great private villas with gardens. There you even get your own cook and maid.<BR><BR>&quot;In terms of room configurations, Is the<BR>major theme comfort? Nothing small and<BR>tragically hip. Correct?&quot;<BR><BR>Well, not in my case. My priorities are charm, beauty, and personality. Lika a tiny 5-room hotel in western Mallorca. There were those five rooms, a living room with a fireplace, small kitchen and a big diningroom. All rooms different with old furniture, beautiful flower arrangements, candles burning, soft classical music and so on. And a small terrace overlooking flowering orange trees.<BR><BR>No staff in the evenings, and everything in the fridge was yours to take.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 09:31 AM
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I am a BB. My husband is a BB, who just retired at 55. We moved to Florida from Atlanta, and we are empty nesters too. Dream trip is coming soon in May...French Riviera, Italian Riviera and the Lake district. Another dream trip, motoring around the UK for about a month. <BR>We look for culture, history, decent dining and love to hike and walk. Yes. we would do a boutique hotel in Provence. We used to like tropical vacations with diving, but since moving to Florida , with a semi-tropical climate, we have no need of that type of Vacation anymore. We are pretty active people. I don't care for cruises, but would like to do one only to Alaska. FYI, Judy
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 10:20 AM
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Sorry, with the term &quot;boutique hotel&quot; you lost me right off the batt! Just not my style. I don't care about &quot;cuisine&quot; either, rather experience whatever is being served in local joints, bars, cafes, street corners, farmers markets.<BR><BR>Two kinds of dream vacations for me: 1) anywhere with sun, palm trees, sand, ocean 2) western Europe. <BR><BR>Fodors gives you a certain financial and philosophical strata of the population. If you asked this question on Lonely Planet BB, you'd get totally different answers.<BR><BR>Also important if people are working or retired, straight or gay, single or divorced, married no kids, married kids home, married kids raised, single parents, etc. as to what they are looking for. More than simply your &quot;generation&quot; or age group.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 12:07 PM
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I'm a Baby Boomer, born in '46. My dream vacation would always include cities for the culture and cuisine and, if possible, a foray into outlying areas for the more &quot;authentic&quot;, not so cosmopolitan, experience. Rural areas give balance to a trip, but are never the first focus of my trips.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 01:45 PM
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Kensignton, This is a college research project and I don't believe you have defined the specific birth years of a Baby Boomer. Two posters have said 1946 thru 1964. I have always heard that it is the ten years following the end of WWII...1945 thru 1955. Can you please tell us which years are correct?
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Old Mar 31st, 2003 | 03:42 PM
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I think Kensington should have defined it in terms of what HE wants it to mean. I studied demography in grad school, and officially in the US, by demographers/sociologists, it is cited as 1946-64 in the US, at least. Here is one website that states that period and you can see what happened your birth year, it's kind of fun:<BR>http://www.babyboomers.com/yrindex.htm<BR>The reason for that designated time period is because the birth rate was so much higher than usual (why it was called a &quot;boom&quot, and that continued until 1965. In 1946, births in the US increased 20% over 1945 and they didn't peak until 1961. They dropped significantly in 1965, which is why 1964 is marked as the end point. This pattern could have been different in other countries, I don't know.<BR><BR>Anyway, Justin, I don't agree with your conclusions in terms of what most baby boomers want--mainly a rural destination, etc. I think you might want to think about what Cassandra said, it sounds like you already know what you want to propose. YOu just can't make such broad statements -- baby boomers mainly prefer a rural area, and some exceptional cuisine, etc.<BR><BR>What you are doing is mainly talking about socioeconomic status, NOT age group. I know plenty of 20s-30s who go for what you are proposing (upscale resorts, spas, boutique hotels, etc) and many many people who are baby boomers who do NOT. Of course it depends on the type of vacation you want, different things at different times.<BR><BR>I think you should take ownership of this project from your professor (if that is his/her assignment) and DEFINE a narrower target that you want to market or design a hotel for. Keep the baby boomer if that is a requirement, but add some other facts (income level, residence location, stage in life, etc). I think a developer or financier would want a lot more specific marketing plan. It sounds like you want baby boomer, upper income, college-educated, American residency. I used to work in marketing research (that demographic degree came in useful) and would suggest you look at the web site of Claritas as an overview to these concepts. They do a lot of marketing segmentation and have catchy names for various segments. Here is their European travel and leisure section, it might give you some ideas:<BR>http://www.claritas-europe.com/europ...ravel_leisure/ <BR><BR>
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