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Old Jan 22nd, 2006, 03:01 PM
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Merci, Coco!
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 12:20 AM
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My pleasure Underhill, but I'm not sure this will help understanding how it works!
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 01:02 AM
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Coco, while you're here...
a quick question, this from an article following an opera performance:
"Enjeu de taille pour Christoph Prégardien..."
Prégardien is the singer, a wonderful tenor voice. Enjeu de taille? how would you translate that? my guess is the critic wanted to say that the role was a bit above his operatic abilities? am I right? thanks.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 02:36 AM
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Hi Keren, sorry I left so quickly!
I think you are half right. The singer may be able to do it but he has a lot to lose if he doesn't succeed. my dictionary would translate by "he has got a lot of stake". Would big deal be ok?
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 03:37 AM
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Thanks, Coco. I think I understand the meaning now. Yes, he doesn't do opera very often but he's superb in other genres. Still, I liked his performance very much, I like people who take such risks.
There was a question here last year regarding this opera, the poster was going to be in Paris while the opera played and I advised him not to miss it. After watching the production on TV last Friday, I know I was right.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 04:06 AM
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"Does the gender of a department name ALWAYS and invariably, in every case, follow the gender of the specific body of water or geographic feature (whether Dordogne river, Loire valley, or other) that it is apparently named after?"

I think the short answer is yes.

For example, the following departments all take the gender of the rivers/valleys they're named after: La Dordogne, Le Rhône, Le Cher, La Creuse, La Haute-Garonne, La Marne, Le Val de Marne, etc.


Re. Keren's question, I'd probably translate &quot;<i>enjeu de taille</i>&quot; as &quot;great challenge&quot;

(&quot;<i>de taille</i>&quot; = sizeable, great, huge)
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 04:23 AM
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Thanks, hanl, this is what I thought of when I first read that comment.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 04:31 AM
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Bravo hanl! =D&gt;
It is always obvious when someone else found the exact answer!
Maybe I should buy another dictionary, it didn't mention challenge for enjeu and it was so obvious! (again)
Was &quot;big deal&quot; wrong then?
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 06:51 AM
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Coco, I'm a translator and &quot;enjeu&quot; is one of those words that can be tricky as it doesn't always mean what the dictionary says it means!! And the French use it a lot

I wouldn't say &quot;big deal&quot; is wrong though, as it certainly conveys a similar idea. In UK English it sounds more colloquial, however, and I think that perhaps it doesn't quite convey the same notion of something being challenging.

Still, these things are so subjective, that's what makes translation such an interesting job. (<i>Et un enjeu de taille </i> )


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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 07:34 AM
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Thanks, Hanl. I'm glad you understood my question. I was having such a surprisingly difficult time explaining what I wanted to know.


&lt;&lt;&quot;Does the gender of a department name ALWAYS and invariably, in every case, follow the gender of the specific body of water or geographic feature (whether Dordogne river, Loire valley, or other) that it is apparently named after?&quot;

I think the short answer is yes.

For example, the following departments all take the gender of the rivers/valleys they're named after: La Dordogne, Le Rh&ocirc;ne, Le Cher, La Creuse, La Haute-Garonne, La Marne, Le Val de Marne, etc.&gt;&gt;

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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 07:40 AM
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In NYC we have Brooklyn, but The Bronx, and no one really knows why.
100 years ago, when someone gave their address they said &quot;I live at #1040 on
the Fifth Avenue, 'the' has since dropped off.
Sometimes, at least in English, usage has no explanations.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2006, 08:30 AM
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Hi Shalott
&gt;100 years ago, when someone gave their address they said &quot;I live at #1040 on
the Fifth Avenue, 'the' has since dropped off.&lt;

From a song by I. Berlin:

&quot;on The Avenue/
Fifth Avenue/
The photographers will snap us....&quot;



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