Weather in NYC & Jet Blue
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Here's what's happened so far:
Flights were more or less okay at all three airports until about 9am. Then it really really slowed, especially between 11-12 EDT.
EWR is slightly better, JFK worse and LGA to a halt.
AA, DL and B6 at JFK has either cancelled most of their flights, or are posting very long delays. CO cancelled some flights, but the longhauls from Europe all arrived back, and they should be going out tonite.
The main problem with Jetblue is communications. Like the Valentine's Day meltdown, all their phone lines are jammed, and their online flight status also not working.
Flights were more or less okay at all three airports until about 9am. Then it really really slowed, especially between 11-12 EDT.
EWR is slightly better, JFK worse and LGA to a halt.
AA, DL and B6 at JFK has either cancelled most of their flights, or are posting very long delays. CO cancelled some flights, but the longhauls from Europe all arrived back, and they should be going out tonite.
The main problem with Jetblue is communications. Like the Valentine's Day meltdown, all their phone lines are jammed, and their online flight status also not working.
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#8
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Voila. The Catch-22.
Cancel flights and people complain.
Don't cancel flights and (if people are stranded) ... people complain.
I'd suggest that JetBlue has decided to err on the side of mass cancellations given the V-Day debacle.
Cancel flights and people complain.
Don't cancel flights and (if people are stranded) ... people complain.
I'd suggest that JetBlue has decided to err on the side of mass cancellations given the V-Day debacle.
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Yes, what they did is so predictable, not only because of the V-Day debacle, but also their own reaction - with their CEO appearing on all day-time talkshows to tout their "Bill of Rights".
In my opinion, in order to pull themselves out of that fiasco, they tied their own hands. Now, they have much less flexibility in handling situations like this. With flights very full this weekend around Spring Break, it'll take them a long time to accommodate all those passengers that have been so well "protected" by the so-called BOR.
Meanwhile, the phone and website problem showed that after V-Day, while they say that was a major problem, it certainly wasn't urgent enough to get it fixed within a month.
In my opinion, in order to pull themselves out of that fiasco, they tied their own hands. Now, they have much less flexibility in handling situations like this. With flights very full this weekend around Spring Break, it'll take them a long time to accommodate all those passengers that have been so well "protected" by the so-called BOR.
Meanwhile, the phone and website problem showed that after V-Day, while they say that was a major problem, it certainly wasn't urgent enough to get it fixed within a month.
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In all honesty the weather is very bad - with lots of sleet and ice on the ground.
And since landings have priority take offs will be delayed for everyone. Also pilots who can get a take off slot are going to want to be sure about de-icing - which means more delays for every take off.
Although Jet Blue is falling apart today AGAIN - it's legitimately a day you can expect delays for all airlines.
And since landings have priority take offs will be delayed for everyone. Also pilots who can get a take off slot are going to want to be sure about de-icing - which means more delays for every take off.
Although Jet Blue is falling apart today AGAIN - it's legitimately a day you can expect delays for all airlines.
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I know noone can predict the future - but some of you travel a lot more than I do.
So how does it work for tomorrows flights? Im flying out of LGA at 6;40am.
The precipitation is supposed to stop at 6am. ... Do you think they will be cancelling flights tomorrow am?
And if they dont cancel - does anyone have a guess about what the delays MIGHT be.
So how does it work for tomorrows flights? Im flying out of LGA at 6;40am.
The precipitation is supposed to stop at 6am. ... Do you think they will be cancelling flights tomorrow am?
And if they dont cancel - does anyone have a guess about what the delays MIGHT be.
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LGA is the least capable airport to cope with weather. In the last 2 hours, they allowed 7 arrivals and one departure (a corporate jet); while over at EWR and JFK, scores of planes have landed, though fewer have taken off.
You'll have some major delays tomorrow morning leaving LGA, that's for sure. Whether it'll be canceled or not, I can't say.
You'll have some major delays tomorrow morning leaving LGA, that's for sure. Whether it'll be canceled or not, I can't say.
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hmmm.....thanks.
I guess I will just have to keep checking the flight status tonight and into early hours of the morning.
It doesnt look good for me though. Im just crossing my fingers that the weather will stop by my flight time tomorrow...and like GoT says that my plane gets into Laguardia...
They have sent out a notice that says I can change my flight (before actual departure time) to another date for no fee. So at least I dont lose my $$$....
But the "event" that I am going to florida for, is this weekend -- so it pretty much wrecks my plans.
I guess I will just have to keep checking the flight status tonight and into early hours of the morning.
It doesnt look good for me though. Im just crossing my fingers that the weather will stop by my flight time tomorrow...and like GoT says that my plane gets into Laguardia...
They have sent out a notice that says I can change my flight (before actual departure time) to another date for no fee. So at least I dont lose my $$$....
But the "event" that I am going to florida for, is this weekend -- so it pretty much wrecks my plans.
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I understand canceling flights due to weather. No biggie.
BUT in trying to rebook something EVERY other airline's web sites are working just fine (although there are very few flights available...).
I just think it's annoying that you can't get through to them.
Anyway, Jet Blue told him they can't reschedule him until Tuesday (this is my dad - he's in Fort Meyers trying to get to Rochester NY). I bought him a flight on Northwest tomorrow (first class - yikes). Hopefully that will go.
BUT in trying to rebook something EVERY other airline's web sites are working just fine (although there are very few flights available...).
I just think it's annoying that you can't get through to them.
Anyway, Jet Blue told him they can't reschedule him until Tuesday (this is my dad - he's in Fort Meyers trying to get to Rochester NY). I bought him a flight on Northwest tomorrow (first class - yikes). Hopefully that will go.
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Flight delays and cancellations occur not only because of local weather and ground conditions, but also because of the availability of planes to carry the flights. Jet Blue chose to cancel flights in the northeast today so their planes don't get marooned here, forcing cancellations in distant cities. Earlier this winter, when Denver was socked in, many flights out of Boston were affected days later, due to lack of equipment and/or crews.
My daughter's (non-Jet Blue) flight took off from Boston on schedule at 2 PM, but the roads were bare at 1 PM and now at 2:30 they are covered.
My daughter's (non-Jet Blue) flight took off from Boston on schedule at 2 PM, but the roads were bare at 1 PM and now at 2:30 they are covered.
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steviegene - Amtrak Silver Meteor leaves Penn Station at 3:18p. 
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Two other issues with Jetblue:
1) They don't interline with other airlines. You can get a refund or you go on the next flight with seats - which may be next day, may be next month. They won't let you fly on other airlines. And we know last minute ticket on another airline can cost you an arm and a leg.
2) They went 180-degree in their weather policy. Before V-Day, they and CO were last to cancel and would delay flights and not cancel to get people out. Now they are the first to cancel the largest percentage of flights. It's a very significant change for travelers who used to rely on B6 to get them out regardless. Not saying which is right, which is wrong; but it's a complete opposite of previous policy/philosophy.

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Two other issues with Jetblue:
1) They don't interline with other airlines. You can get a refund or you go on the next flight with seats - which may be next day, may be next month. They won't let you fly on other airlines. And we know last minute ticket on another airline can cost you an arm and a leg.
2) They went 180-degree in their weather policy. Before V-Day, they and CO were last to cancel and would delay flights and not cancel to get people out. Now they are the first to cancel the largest percentage of flights. It's a very significant change for travelers who used to rely on B6 to get them out regardless. Not saying which is right, which is wrong; but it's a complete opposite of previous policy/philosophy.
#19
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Whats silver meteor?
I need to be in DelRay Beach by 3pm!!!
Anyway, Im not flying JetBlue, I just wanted in on the "my flight is going to get cancelled and this really sticks" conversation.
Im actually flying Spirit. I dont know if thats any better than JetBlue. But they've said
I need to be in DelRay Beach by 3pm!!!
Anyway, Im not flying JetBlue, I just wanted in on the "my flight is going to get cancelled and this really sticks" conversation.
Im actually flying Spirit. I dont know if thats any better than JetBlue. But they've said



