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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 05:16 PM
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Manhattan street etiquettes

The weather was gorgeous and I swear I felt like there were about 2 million out-of-towners in my neighborhood (soho) this past weekend. Also I saw a visiting couple who encountered a very common – and to me very acceptable – taxi driver treatment but they were completely caught off guard. So thought I'd start this thread and hopefully other Manhattanites can add to it. I'm often a visitor to other cities too and wouldn't mind if those locals tell me about some of their street etiquettes.

- First, the taxi misunderstanding...this couple was trying to flag down a cab. They saw many cabs went by with their lights on and didn't stop. One finally did, driver asked where they were headed, it wasn't on his way, so he said no and took off. The couple was appalled and started saying how NY cabbies are all so rude. So I explained to them what happened - all the cabs they saw with lights on actually had the off-duty light on as well. They did't stop b/c they were off duty, most likely speeding off to deliver the cab to another driver scheduled for the next shift. Sometimes they may stop to check if you're headed the same way, in that case they can take you. The said couple assumed the driver was being selective and hence rude. In reality, his off-duty light was on, and taking the couple to another part of town would probably cause him to be late in returning the cab. So visitors, remember, when only the middle light is on, the cab is free. When the side lights are also on, it is off duty and the driver is under no obligation to stop.

- When you're getting off a subway train, there is an unspoken rule to let people getting on the train pass the turnstile first. B/c the train is right there, and if you get in on-coming passengers' way, they may have to wait another 5-10 mins for the next train. Whereas if you step aside to let them pass first, you'll only have to wait like 5 seconds. Hate to admit it but I have in more than one occasion yelled at tourists who are standing at the exiting turnstile with their map open and blocking me from catching my train. Same applies even if you are getting on a train yourself. if you're not sure if this is the right train, please step aside and not block other people from getting on.

- Remind yourself not to walk on the street in a row of 3/4/5 or god forbid 6 people. I understand that many visitors don't come from walking cities so they may not realize they are hogging the entire pedestrain surface in steps often 5 times slower than a hurried local. But you do have highways at home, yes? Just imagine if 5 cars line up in a row going 30 miles an hr and blocking all other cars from passing. Yes it's exactly like that.

- One more: when walking in the middle of the street, don't stop abruptly to fetch maps, look at pictures on your camera or whatever that may give you a sense of urgency to stop. Again, this is exactly like if a car stops in the middle of a highway without warning. Step to the side first before you stop.

OK getting off soapbox... I hope everyone visiting NY this summer will have an amazing time!
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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Hmmm...

What about when you get off the subway heading to Metro North...how long should I stand at the turnstile, letting people go through before I push my way through to make my train?

Just wondering.

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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 06:30 PM
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I would like to ask you about cabs.

I was in your neighborhood during the awful weather you had in February.

The shuttle failed to pick me up for my trip to LGA. So I, suitcase in hand made my way to 6th Ave to hail a cab.

I was very grateful when one stopped even before I had a chance to hail one.

Evidently, the passenger encouraged this. She probably took pity on me.

Anyway, she and I were both going to LGA but to different airlines.

Upon arrival at her terminal I asked her if she wanted to split the fare. She said no, she would pay the whole thing. She also tipped $5.

At the next terminal, I gave the driver an additional $10.

He was very unhappy with me saying that he had saved me all of the money and basically I was cheating him.

Can you give me some insight into what I did wrong? I ended up giving him an additional $7, but he still was not happy.

Was I expected to pay again?
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 06:33 PM
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With all the subway talk, what about the people who stop on the stairs to a subway to check the map and addresses of where they're going so nobody can past them -- up or down?
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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I was always taught to stay to the right to go "up" the stairs and left to go "down" the stairs. It's just a free-for-all!!
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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Hee, hee. Seetheworld, think about what you just said. If all the people going up the stairs were on the right and all the people going down the stairs were on their left, then they'd all run into each other!!!

I'm hoping you meant to keep to the right going up or down the stairs.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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Good tips, flatfeet, although I doubt anyone can put an end to the old "stand stock still in the middle of (fill in the blank) while checking map, or digging in a bag, or staring in confusion all around"--it's the universal tourist affliction!
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Absolutely NewbE. Then we have the added attraction in San Antonio of being pushed into the river when people insist on walking 4 abreast, oblivious to others. The Joys of living in a tourist destination, wherever it might be.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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OO, this probably constitutes hijacking a perfectly good thread, but the tourist hazard I recall most vividly was in Monterey. The brisk winter walks we enjoyed along the water turned, every summer, into a terror-stricken flight from tourists in those rented pedal-power surreys, pedaling hell for leather like they'd been shot out of a cannon! Good times...
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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 07:09 PM
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Seetheworld, I imagine most often it only takes a few seconds (10 sec tops) to wait for everyone entering the turnstile to pass through. I mean the train door doesn't stay open longer than 10 secs I don't think, so when the door closes, it's free game.

Sher, your cabby was just plain greedy! You did nothing wrong.

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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 07:12 PM
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The sidewalks are our highways. Block traffic and you will get a "honk."

And, please, for the love of all things holy, no golf umbrellas.

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Old Apr 23rd, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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Thanks flatfeet.

I know I must look like a dumb tourist.

I was grateful that he picked me up, it was miserable trying to drag that case through the slush.

I will be more assertive next time.
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Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 02:56 AM
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hehehe.

I was looking "Up" the stairs in my mind. My tired mind.
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Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 04:51 AM
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Please take the ginormous backpacks off during rush hour on the subway!

The stopping at the top of the steps at the subway makes me crazy!
 
Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 05:20 AM
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The letting the person through the turnstile before you exit the station is HIGHLY dependant on which station. If you tried to pull this at the 1st Avenue L stop, you would be trampled by the 500 people coming up the stairs behind you. I think this move really applies in less crowded stations when the train stops literally on the other side of the turnstile.

The backpacks on the subway train is something that plenty of natives are guilty of. I usually have more complaints with oblivious business men in the morning than w/ tourists on the subway. A few of my complaints:

I may be 5'2", but my head is not an armrest.

I know you want to to read the WSJ, but do you really have to make me eat it on a crowded train?

Do you have to sit with your knees so far apart? I doubt your anatomy is so substantial that it precludes keeping your knees together.
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Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 06:26 AM
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NewbE, hijack away. Would love to hear about how to be street smart in other cities.

lizzie, agree. I'm definitely thinking more about stations where you can see the train from the turnstile which include many of the stations tourists use. They're less likely to use the 1st ave L stop I believe.
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Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 06:46 AM
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A friend who is a NY cabbie explained the 'off duty' situation to me. According to the rules, when a cabbie goes off duty, he or she actually notes this in the next space on their trip sheet. After this point, they are only allowed to accept one more fare and it should be in the direction they are traveling, probably back to the garage.

Regarding the trip sheet, it is considered an important reference document that should be created accurately in pen, without changing info once entered--no erasures or cross-outs.

Technically, when you first get in a cab, your pickup point should be entered. Your destination should not be entered until you reach it, just in case you change your mind along the way. (However, I've hardly ever seen a cabbie NOT record the destination at the beginning of the trip . . .) This is another reason a cabbie might seem a bit annoyed when you DO change your destination--he or she jumped the gun and entered your original destination too soon and now must make a mess of the trip sheet.
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Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 06:48 AM
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In all honesty we really do love having visitors here in New York, but during the summer especially it gets difficult on the streets with ALL the people trying to get to work and site see all at the same time.

My pet peeve, is crossing the street at busy corners, it seems that visitors seem not to understand that they are IN THE WAY when they gather right on the corner. I've actually told people they would get mowed down if they continued to stand there.

Sidewalk space is limited and we're all trying to get somewhere, just please be a bit more aware that we all have to share the space.
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Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 06:50 AM
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I was told years ago that you should always hail a cab in New York going in the right direction. In other words don't stand on northbound 8th Avenue if you want to go to Soho. You may get a taxi that is going off duty and won't turn, or maybe get a driver who has some other reason he doesn't want to go the opposite direction.
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Old Apr 24th, 2007 | 06:54 AM
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And Patrick, your point is particularly good to remembmer at around 5PM, when many cabbies are going off duty and many people are seeking cabs. You can often get a ride from an off-duty cab if you're headed in the right direction.
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