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Nov 12th, 2005, 06:44 PM
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Do all states allow military recruitment to our kids in high school? or middle schools? our 9 year olds are being recruited??
15-17 year old kids?
I know that colleges have recruiters, very aggressive recruiters but I was never aware that high schools do it.
15-17 year old kids?
I know that colleges have recruiters, very aggressive recruiters but I was never aware that high schools do it.
Nov 12th, 2005, 06:47 PM
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Perhaps the city of SF is not letting the military recruit in the public schools because the recruiting is opportunistic and misleading. I've read reports and watched news pieces that supports this. The recruiters target poor, largely minority areas because they feel that the youngsters in these areas have no parents to advise them, and have no options. Therefore, they are a much easier sell.
Public schools are largely supported by local property tax dollars, therefore the citizens of SF have every right to decide this issue. State's rights and the power of local gov't is a beautiful thing. Should the power of localities only be allowed when states are voting to make anti-gay amendments?
Public schools are largely supported by local property tax dollars, therefore the citizens of SF have every right to decide this issue. State's rights and the power of local gov't is a beautiful thing. Should the power of localities only be allowed when states are voting to make anti-gay amendments?
Nov 12th, 2005, 06:53 PM
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The "no child left behind act" requires that in order to access the Title II funds provided by this act, public high schools must grant military recruiters the same access to students as college and career counsellors. The City of SF has voted to forgo those funds and deny access to the military recruiters.
Leelane, you mistake "support" for "feeding the beast". You really have no idea the multitude of ways the San Franciscans support the current military.
Leelane, you mistake "support" for "feeding the beast". You really have no idea the multitude of ways the San Franciscans support the current military.
Nov 12th, 2005, 08:32 PM
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It should bother most people that an education bill is tied to requiring schools to provide private home phone numbers to high school students. It's never been done before and like some have said we have the finest military in history. Why is it needed now. It's an invasion of privacy.
San Francisco and all of California supports our troops. California is a donor state as far as taxes go. We put more taxes into the pot than our state will ever get back.
Most people I know would be happy to pay more taxes if it meant our troops, fire and police had the equipment they need to keep themselves and us safe.
Maybe our government could even kick it up a notch and spend a little more intel. That might of kept us out of this war in first place. Now that would really be supporting our troops, not sending them to a war they didn't have to fight.
San Francisco and all of California supports our troops. California is a donor state as far as taxes go. We put more taxes into the pot than our state will ever get back.
Most people I know would be happy to pay more taxes if it meant our troops, fire and police had the equipment they need to keep themselves and us safe.
Maybe our government could even kick it up a notch and spend a little more intel. That might of kept us out of this war in first place. Now that would really be supporting our troops, not sending them to a war they didn't have to fight.
Nov 13th, 2005, 08:00 AM
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Thanks so much to all who sent good wishes for my daughter's health! Just wanted to check in to say that, as of last night, she was feeling (and sounding), much, much better. That nurse at student health really seems to have known her stuff. She said the first 3 to 5 days were the worst. Yesterday was the 5th day! So I think we're safe in assuming that it was, indeed, the virus that's been going around the five campuses.
Saw the other post, LoveItaly. As I said on that thread, I think it's very touching that you went to so much trouble to try to correct an injustice!
I hope this whole situation is soon resolved. As others have said, Patrick can be a little cutting at times. But he brings so much to this board. And I think it's very, very sad that he's been banned at a time when he's going through so much in his personal life. I know what a wonderful "escape" coming to Fodor's has been for me these past few months. And how much support I've gotten from the wonderful community here.
Saw the other post, LoveItaly. As I said on that thread, I think it's very touching that you went to so much trouble to try to correct an injustice!
I hope this whole situation is soon resolved. As others have said, Patrick can be a little cutting at times. But he brings so much to this board. And I think it's very, very sad that he's been banned at a time when he's going through so much in his personal life. I know what a wonderful "escape" coming to Fodor's has been for me these past few months. And how much support I've gotten from the wonderful community here.
Nov 13th, 2005, 09:09 AM
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Back when I was in high school at a time when there was no war and no war seen in the future they allowed military recruiters to come in on Carrier Day once a year. I chose to talked to the recruiters and was somewhat interested. A few years later I joined the military.
It is very different now. We are in the middle of a war which may last for several more years, a war which most Americans do not support and beleive was a mistake. A war based on lies and misinformation. I totally understand how parents today do not want thier teens sucked into something like this by aggressive recruiters with desparate quotas to fill.
Everyone is supporting our troops. They enjoy far more popularity than the President, Vice President, and Pentegon chiefs put together. Just One soldier in a Q&A in Iraq almost pulled Rumsfeld to his knees with disgrace. We do not support the war and want our kids out of it. What is so hard to understand about this? You don't keep marching soldiers down the wrong road paved with lies and over a cliff and say or do nothing.
It is very different now. We are in the middle of a war which may last for several more years, a war which most Americans do not support and beleive was a mistake. A war based on lies and misinformation. I totally understand how parents today do not want thier teens sucked into something like this by aggressive recruiters with desparate quotas to fill.
Everyone is supporting our troops. They enjoy far more popularity than the President, Vice President, and Pentegon chiefs put together. Just One soldier in a Q&A in Iraq almost pulled Rumsfeld to his knees with disgrace. We do not support the war and want our kids out of it. What is so hard to understand about this? You don't keep marching soldiers down the wrong road paved with lies and over a cliff and say or do nothing.
Nov 13th, 2005, 01:45 PM
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jorr, -- "everyone supports our troops" -- okay, a blanket statement that can easily be proved false. everyone?
catbert -- voting to not let the military recruit (uh, that's how they get soldiers...) is not an act of non-support? please. try to spin that if you will, but it's complete nonsense.
look, reasonable people can disagree on the war, but for jorr to say it was based on lies and misrepresentations is a serious insult to then Pres. Cliton, Hillary, Kerry, the Europeans, and all others who were virtually unanimous in stating SH had WMD and voted in favor of military action (that is, before Kerry voted against it).
c'mon, let's lay off the obvious BS and at least call a spade a spade.
disagree if you will, but at this point this mission must be finished in some way, unlike Vietnam, when the liberal media and democrats forced an agreement that resulted in the deaths and displacement of hundreds of thousands.
I too would like everyone to come home. but not at the expense of the hard work that's already been done and resulting in *more* heartache for the Iraqis, who have suffered enough from SH and the cowardly terrorists who are trying to make their lives miserable today.
catbert -- voting to not let the military recruit (uh, that's how they get soldiers...) is not an act of non-support? please. try to spin that if you will, but it's complete nonsense.
look, reasonable people can disagree on the war, but for jorr to say it was based on lies and misrepresentations is a serious insult to then Pres. Cliton, Hillary, Kerry, the Europeans, and all others who were virtually unanimous in stating SH had WMD and voted in favor of military action (that is, before Kerry voted against it).
c'mon, let's lay off the obvious BS and at least call a spade a spade.
disagree if you will, but at this point this mission must be finished in some way, unlike Vietnam, when the liberal media and democrats forced an agreement that resulted in the deaths and displacement of hundreds of thousands.
I too would like everyone to come home. but not at the expense of the hard work that's already been done and resulting in *more* heartache for the Iraqis, who have suffered enough from SH and the cowardly terrorists who are trying to make their lives miserable today.
Nov 13th, 2005, 03:16 PM
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Cassandra - I agree. Just can't figure out how "they" decide which poster gets banned or which thread gets pulled. Surprising how some threads are allowed to go on and then but Patrick gets banned for correcting some misinformation. BTW-congratulations on your test results.
Anyway back to FF R&R's although the weekend is almost over.
Rave: CAPH Glad to hear your daughter is feeling better. It's so hard when they are sick and far away.
Rave: P_M Congratulations on the new job.
Rave: LoveItaly-thank you for being such a level headed poster and just an all around really nice person.
Rant: Patrick getting banned. Who will I talk to about Broadway shows!?!
Rant: What this board has become because of the actions of PK and management. Seems like instead of us all supporting one another with a few minor disagreements or an occasional hard word, we are all now at each other's throats because of the situation. I hope things change soon so this board will become FUN again.
Rave: My older DD was doing of run of "Gypsy" in San Diego County. This was her first paying theater job after college graduation. She was the understudy for Louise (Gypsy Rose Lee) and got to go on this for 5 performances (it's closing weekend).
She got sick and almost lost her voice Saturday but still did a great job.
Rant: The situation that lead to her doing the role. The FIL of the actress doing the part passed away, the family is devastated. The whole situation is very bittersweet. My thoughts are with that family.
Rave: The director of a show in LA my DD's performance and is interested in her doing a role that he is having difficulty casting. She would probably get her Equity card if she does the role but she has non-refundable tickets to Hawaii during the show rehearsal time. Oh, the decisions you have to make when you are an adult-glad it's her making the choice-not me!
Rant: klr6773 hope your puppy is doing better. I can't bear it when my pups or kittens are hurt or not feeling well.
Rave: Everything our Veteran's have done for this country.
Rave: My younger DD is hanging in there at college. I think she will at least finish out the year there and decide if she wants to go back.
Let's all hope this next week is a better one on Fodors.
Anyway back to FF R&R's although the weekend is almost over.
Rave: CAPH Glad to hear your daughter is feeling better. It's so hard when they are sick and far away.
Rave: P_M Congratulations on the new job.
Rave: LoveItaly-thank you for being such a level headed poster and just an all around really nice person.
Rant: Patrick getting banned. Who will I talk to about Broadway shows!?!
Rant: What this board has become because of the actions of PK and management. Seems like instead of us all supporting one another with a few minor disagreements or an occasional hard word, we are all now at each other's throats because of the situation. I hope things change soon so this board will become FUN again.
Rave: My older DD was doing of run of "Gypsy" in San Diego County. This was her first paying theater job after college graduation. She was the understudy for Louise (Gypsy Rose Lee) and got to go on this for 5 performances (it's closing weekend).
She got sick and almost lost her voice Saturday but still did a great job.
Rant: The situation that lead to her doing the role. The FIL of the actress doing the part passed away, the family is devastated. The whole situation is very bittersweet. My thoughts are with that family.
Rave: The director of a show in LA my DD's performance and is interested in her doing a role that he is having difficulty casting. She would probably get her Equity card if she does the role but she has non-refundable tickets to Hawaii during the show rehearsal time. Oh, the decisions you have to make when you are an adult-glad it's her making the choice-not me!
Rant: klr6773 hope your puppy is doing better. I can't bear it when my pups or kittens are hurt or not feeling well.
Rave: Everything our Veteran's have done for this country.
Rave: My younger DD is hanging in there at college. I think she will at least finish out the year there and decide if she wants to go back.
Let's all hope this next week is a better one on Fodors.
Nov 13th, 2005, 03:29 PM
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Forgot this Rave: PalmPilot for still posting on this forum and for being levelheaded through this whole thing. I think the waiter just tried to sell a more expensive bottle of wine to PalmPilot but at this point it doesn't even matter any more. What became a mild disagreement with a few words perhaps choosen unwisely has beome a huge mess. PalmPilot sorry you got dragged into all of this. Glad you are still here.
Nov 13th, 2005, 03:45 PM
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P_M- Way to go! And the sing along was quite fun. Perhaps another will be inorder Dec. 1
My son's marching band won best visual performance at BOA Grand Nationals this weekend in semis and finals, finished 3rd in semis and 4th in finals. 90 bands in prelims, 30 in semis and 12 in finals from all over the nation. Truly an amazing spectacle in the RCA Dome.
As far as military recruiting...I was not too happy that he received a phone call from a recruiter in the evening at our home last week. Kind of unsettling for me.
My son's marching band won best visual performance at BOA Grand Nationals this weekend in semis and finals, finished 3rd in semis and 4th in finals. 90 bands in prelims, 30 in semis and 12 in finals from all over the nation. Truly an amazing spectacle in the RCA Dome.
As far as military recruiting...I was not too happy that he received a phone call from a recruiter in the evening at our home last week. Kind of unsettling for me.
Nov 13th, 2005, 04:33 PM
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The cowardly terrorists are making the iraqis lives miserable (and the people of jordan, spain, england, etc.) b/c we went to iraq and occupied a country. we did not go there to free the people of iraq, we supposedly went there b/c there were weapons of mass destruction. now that the WMD's clearly didn't pan out, the administration has decided that the next best spin is to call it saving the people. i think we've brought them far more headaches than we have good things. many areas of iraq do not have the basic necessities (that they did pre-invasion) of life. violence is now more routine. yes, saddam was an evil dictator. but if that is the criteria, what about north korea or iran for that matter?
Calling a spade a spade requires honesty. clinton, kerry, et al voted for the iraq war. but the people of san francisco have used the power of democracy to prevent misleading military recruiting in their public schools. like another poster mentioned, they decided to forego federal funds to make that choice (also, hasn't W repeatedly made fun of the state of california for not having "american values").
Calling a spade a spade requires honesty. clinton, kerry, et al voted for the iraq war. but the people of san francisco have used the power of democracy to prevent misleading military recruiting in their public schools. like another poster mentioned, they decided to forego federal funds to make that choice (also, hasn't W repeatedly made fun of the state of california for not having "american values").
