NeoPatrick

walkinaround, I totally agree with you, but many here never seem to understand the economic issue. Some seem to think the more you can "steal" from a big corporation, the better as they are "making enough already" or "ripping anyone off anyway".

And the idea that someone may just get hooked on coming so the business profits is hysterically absurd. Obviously the people going to all the trouble of trying to use these "illegal" tickets are already "hooked on going" or they wouldn't be doing that. Next someone will be suggesting that shoplifting in stores should be encouraged because it's a good way for people to become familiar with a product and hooked on buying it. Give me a break -- these justifications are so bad.

dmlove

While I completely agree that this is an economic/pricing issue (and that the cost of the tickets is based on someone's projections regarding attendance), I do think it's very different from stealing a tangible item. The only actual loss to the seller in the case of someone using the second day free that didn't belong to them is 1) if they would have come anyway and paid for it; and 2) if there are limited numbers of spots available, so some other paying customer was turned away. When you steal a tangible item, it is costing the seller at a minimum the cost to manufacture, market, ship and sell the item.

gyppielou

soooooo

having given you the benefit of the doubt, you choose to reveal your true colors.

you're one of those snarky kinds of lawyers that puts a spin on breaking the law.

Seaworld has made specific rules and yet you still want to spin it that to ignore those rules isn't really wrong, but knocking down a toddler and stealing their cotton candy is?????

dmlove

Jeez, gyppielou, I didn't say that at all. And I am not only as far from a snarky lawyer as you can get, I pride myself on my ethical conduct, so please get off your high horse. I was just disagreeing with NeoPatrick's last analogy, not condoning anyone's behavior. I've said all along that a contract is a contract - if the original ticket said it was non-transferable, then there's your answer.

dmlove

OK, very funny. Friends?

gyppielou

So am i Tonto or are you Tonto???


I Wanna be Tonto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGjxi...eature=related

spirobulldog

The main reason for fingerprinting is not really the 2 day pass, but the season pass. But it does work for the 2 day pass as well.

capxxx

Companies come up with all kinds of ways to price their products (per visit, per person per visit, by subscription, by unit of use, whatever), based on (1) how convenient it is for them to collect income by that method, and (2) whether they think the public will buy more product if it is priced that way.

The question is, does one person using a two-day ticket use up less ``resources'' than two people using two one-day tickets? Possibly Seaworld thinks so, because the priced it that way. Or maybe they found out that people with unsettled plans tend to buy the two-day passes, but end up not using one day. Free money, if they decide to make them non-transferrable: they can sell tickets to more people than the park can hold.

They have a right to do what they want. But as a consumer, I have a right to protest what I think is a bad policy (especially the part about fingerprinting and ID-checking), when I can't see any good reason for it except trying to gouge the customer.

Should my protest turn to action? (Assuming hypothetically that I had such a ticket in hand.)

I may decide to try and use the two-day pass as a matter of consumer disobedience (like civil disobedience but less noble) or because I am a cheapskate. Either way, refusing to complying with the implied contract LESSER SIN than stealing a tangible resource.

I have only deprived the company of the profits that their marketing staff IMAGINED might have been available otherwise. Suppose once they catch me trying to use the ticket, they decide to charge me double for a one-day ticket because marketing says it is a good idea to deter others. Would it be stealing if I walked away and got a friend to buy my ticket?

NeoPatrick

I can't believe that people still try to use that "it doesn't cost the place any more".

I guess you also go a movie, pay for one, then spend the day going to the other movies playing within the same cineplex? Obviously that's a perfect comparison, since it isn't costing the theatre any more for you to be there.

capxxx

Well, actually, the correct analogy is I pay for two movie tickets, couldn't use the second one, and gave it to someone else. Does it cost the theater more if my brother goes instead of my sister?

Nobody in the Seaworld scenario is trying to use the ticket for more days than specified, or to sneak in extra people that aren't paid for. The question is whether a different person can use the ticket than the person who bought it.

The theater has every right to decide to sell tickets on a per seat per movie basis, rather than on a per customer basis. So does Seaworld.

But if the theater institutes a policy that movie tickets are non-transferrable, I would let management know that I thought that that was an unreasonable policy. One reason for my objection is, I don't think it costs them any extra if a different person shows up. Another part is, if they resort to fingerprinting and photographing just to enforce their policy, the resulting invasion of my privacy is deplorable.

persimmondeb

I suspect Sea World knows that a certain number of people use the tickets in this manner, and may not mind that much, but obviously need to have a control on it(i.e. since they state it's non-transferable they can refuse you admission if they wish). The people at the gate must have known what bs83 and family were up to. Why weren't they called on it?
Answer, the staff is probably not supposed to challenge guests on this unless they are doing something really egregious (or, I suspect, on days when the park is expected to be at capacity). Many theme parks have policies that are very selectively enforced. And in most parks those "scanners" are for show. I think Disney is the only one where they actually work, and DH had to insert his pinky, as his index was too large for it to recoginise it as a finger.
You can argue whether this kind of use is ethical or not, but it is likely that Sea World will wink at a certain amount of it.

Barbara

They don't offer this deal any more.

dmlove

They don't offer this deal any more.

They probably read this thread LOL!

capxxx

Gosh, you mean my boycott worked?

highflyer

Deal is still available in Florida.

Buy a ONE day ticket and return within 7 days to be admitted free (this is not mentioned until you click on ONE day tix )

injeanious

I have a similar yet different problem. I bought my boyfriend a one day ticket to Sea World for his birthday and found out later that day they aren't going. Sea Worlds voice mail says they aren't taking calls and email will respond in 7-10 days. I don't want to lose my money and we live in another state so unlikely to go anytime soon again. I have a friend who is going and would love her to be able to use it but it has his name on it. I paid full price for the ticket so I don't understand why they wouldn't refund or atleast let someone else use it rather than me lose my money and I can't even get in touch with them to find out my options.

elizzie4000

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Have you tried their contact info page. A few options to contact them:
http://seaworldparks.com/en/seaworld...rom=Footer_Nav