"borrowing" tickets for SeaWorld?
Aug 6th, 2007, 04:10 PM
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I'm all for law and order and following the rules. I personally wouldn't do it because I'd rather not have to deal with the hassle if it doesn't work.
But, when corporate America has built a reputation for occassionally playing fast and loose with the rules, what do they expect the outcome to be?
Think about it for a second as it relates to Anheuser-Busch. They paid the family of Roger Maris a significant amount of money, perhaps as much as $50mm, for defamation as it related to their essentially illegally taking back his distributorship.
What about the beer industries complicity in under-age drinking? You think they don't know where all those cases sold at liquor stores near college campuses wind up?
Again, not advocating the OP breaking the rules. But, let's not be so hard on them when the company in question has it's own checkered past.
But, when corporate America has built a reputation for occassionally playing fast and loose with the rules, what do they expect the outcome to be?
Think about it for a second as it relates to Anheuser-Busch. They paid the family of Roger Maris a significant amount of money, perhaps as much as $50mm, for defamation as it related to their essentially illegally taking back his distributorship.
What about the beer industries complicity in under-age drinking? You think they don't know where all those cases sold at liquor stores near college campuses wind up?
Again, not advocating the OP breaking the rules. But, let's not be so hard on them when the company in question has it's own checkered past.
Aug 6th, 2007, 04:48 PM
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i think that everyone is taking this just a little too seriously....it's just a few tickets to Sea World, I don't think it's that big of deal...lets not start arguments, lets just give our opinions in a friendly way 
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Aug 6th, 2007, 04:58 PM
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Huh? We are giving our opinions is a "friendly" way -- but they may not be the answer the poster was seeking. Yet, since the OP put quotes around the word "borrowing", I suppose she already knew what response she would get. You seem to be the one arguing, aucho. Most posters here seem to agree that it is dishonest to try to use the tickets. Teaching children to be dishonest may not be a "big deal" to you, but why indicate that anyone who thinks it is a big deal is "starting an argument? If you would agree with that fact, there wouldn't be any argument at all, would there?
I'm always amazed at statements like "it's just a few tickets. . ." yea, a couple of hundred dollars worth isn't a big deal is it? It's only stealing if it's what -- over a thousand?
I'm always amazed at statements like "it's just a few tickets. . ." yea, a couple of hundred dollars worth isn't a big deal is it? It's only stealing if it's what -- over a thousand?
Aug 6th, 2007, 05:08 PM
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OP is asking for permission to commit fraud. And to have the children commit fraud also.
"But I'm worried we'll get to the gate and they won't accept them for some reason" For some reason? Fraud is the reason they won't accept them. That's the legal term for it.
"But I'm worried we'll get to the gate and they won't accept them for some reason" For some reason? Fraud is the reason they won't accept them. That's the legal term for it.
Aug 6th, 2007, 05:24 PM
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a year ago my friend bought tickets for Universal Studios, and gave us the tickets for the second day. We had no problem using them, even though the tickets stated that ID was required. You should try, and have a back up plan, like coupons or something.
Aug 6th, 2007, 06:00 PM
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"it's just a few tickets to Sea World, I don't think it's that big of deal...lets not start arguments, lets just give our opinions in a friendly way"
People seem to be condoning fraud, which ultimately hurts all consumers. And we all live with the consequences of kids who don't understand consequences and think it's fine to cheat.
People seem to be condoning fraud, which ultimately hurts all consumers. And we all live with the consequences of kids who don't understand consequences and think it's fine to cheat.
Aug 6th, 2007, 06:04 PM
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I remember the first time we didn't qualify for the childrens discount somewhere. Tickets for children 6 and under were heavily discounted, and our seven year old was very tiny...smaller than her 5 year old sister.
I was just joking and said somethingg like " do you think anyone in the world would guess that DD is over six?" She immediately said said, "but I AM seven mommy, so that would be cheating."
Kids know what is right and wrong, and kids follow your lead. Do you really want your kids to think you are a cheater?
I was just joking and said somethingg like " do you think anyone in the world would guess that DD is over six?" She immediately said said, "but I AM seven mommy, so that would be cheating."
Kids know what is right and wrong, and kids follow your lead. Do you really want your kids to think you are a cheater?
Aug 7th, 2007, 05:24 AM
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Count me in the camp which feels that cheating is cheating, no matter what benefit gained or dollar amount involved.
Quite a simple answer to this issue, really: If enough people feel it's OK to "borrow" 2-for-the-price-of-1 tickets and it gets too expensive for the parks to police the admittance, then the parks will just eliminate them all together. Everyone pays full price everyday. Who loses then?
A few bad apples...
Quite a simple answer to this issue, really: If enough people feel it's OK to "borrow" 2-for-the-price-of-1 tickets and it gets too expensive for the parks to police the admittance, then the parks will just eliminate them all together. Everyone pays full price everyday. Who loses then?
A few bad apples...
Aug 7th, 2007, 05:42 AM
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good point, exiledprincess, but I don't think that people who feel it is totally justified to stand in front of their children and use illegal tickets are the type of people to be worried about hurting others in the future.
Aug 7th, 2007, 06:52 AM
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Gee that may be why our country is in the shape it's in today.
My parents (as well as most of my friends' parents) taught me to be honest, to respect other people and their property, and to pay my own way.
Let's be honest
To do this is DISHONEST!! Bad example in front of children.
My parents (as well as most of my friends' parents) taught me to be honest, to respect other people and their property, and to pay my own way.
Let's be honest
To do this is DISHONEST!! Bad example in front of children.
Aug 7th, 2007, 02:04 PM
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I still think that the second day tickets should be usable by someone else. Lets suppose that I have a website and sell small trinkets. Knowing that I have a great markup on them, I offer you a second one for a nominal price if you buy one, sort of like a buy one, get a second one half off. You order 2 since it's a great deal but I only ship one because I have a disclaimer on my site that says that the second one will only be sent if the order goes out on Tuesday and this is Friday, and that there will be no refunds.
You'd scream fraud! And rightly so, but this is what Seaworld and the others are doing, collecting money without having to deliver the "goods" just because they have a disclaimer. I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable in contract law about the legality of their disclaimer.
I know that I can organize a sporting event and make every participant sign a waiver of responsibility so they can't sue me if they get hurt, but that waiver does not absolve me of the responsibility and I may still be sued if there is an injury. Does that same thing happen with a ticket like this?
You'd scream fraud! And rightly so, but this is what Seaworld and the others are doing, collecting money without having to deliver the "goods" just because they have a disclaimer. I'd like to hear from someone knowledgeable in contract law about the legality of their disclaimer.
I know that I can organize a sporting event and make every participant sign a waiver of responsibility so they can't sue me if they get hurt, but that waiver does not absolve me of the responsibility and I may still be sued if there is an injury. Does that same thing happen with a ticket like this?
Aug 7th, 2007, 02:18 PM
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I'm sorry but your example is nuts.
Sea World does deliver the goods. They are open every day, including Christmas and Thanksgiving. If the customer, who has freely chosen to buy a 2-days-for-the-price-of-one, non-transferable, non-refundable ticket decides not to use it on the second day, the party who is hurt is actually Sea World, not the purchaser. Sea World would be losing concession sales for the second day. Despite that, Sea World makes this offer to its customers (not to its customers BFF or cousin or whoever) and does not require the customer to actually use the second day.
Sea World does deliver the goods. They are open every day, including Christmas and Thanksgiving. If the customer, who has freely chosen to buy a 2-days-for-the-price-of-one, non-transferable, non-refundable ticket decides not to use it on the second day, the party who is hurt is actually Sea World, not the purchaser. Sea World would be losing concession sales for the second day. Despite that, Sea World makes this offer to its customers (not to its customers BFF or cousin or whoever) and does not require the customer to actually use the second day.
Aug 7th, 2007, 02:21 PM
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Boy, do I NOT get than analogy. Not sending both trinkets that were paid for? Huh? Sea World DID deliver the goods. The people who bought the two day tickets have them in their possession and they can use them any time.
I suppose if you went to a restaurant that said after you eat your slab of ribs you can have a second slab for free, that they should bring both slabs and let two people share them for the price of one slab?
Of for that matter I suppose if someone bought two tickets each for two days, you think they should be allowed to send two people through the gate and then hand the tickets back to two friends to come through right after them? The four tickets were sold to four people -- and were never intended to cover eight people!!!
I suppose if you went to a restaurant that said after you eat your slab of ribs you can have a second slab for free, that they should bring both slabs and let two people share them for the price of one slab?
Of for that matter I suppose if someone bought two tickets each for two days, you think they should be allowed to send two people through the gate and then hand the tickets back to two friends to come through right after them? The four tickets were sold to four people -- and were never intended to cover eight people!!!
Aug 7th, 2007, 02:55 PM
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I don't understand that analogy either and I don't think that Seaworld is being at all dishonest with their policy. Plenty of amusement parks and attractions have multi-day and season passes and they are non-transferable. The amusement parks give discounts to people who want to come multiple times.
Aug 7th, 2007, 03:24 PM
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This thread and the justifications tossed around to cheat and steal and set a dishonest example to children is plain frightening.
Tell me supporters of "borrowing" tickets. If you borrow a cotton candy and your little rugrat eats only half, are you "entitled" to a %50 refund?
The poor OP was asking an innocent question, as they were suspicious of the cousins offer from the getgo.
Tell me supporters of "borrowing" tickets. If you borrow a cotton candy and your little rugrat eats only half, are you "entitled" to a %50 refund?
The poor OP was asking an innocent question, as they were suspicious of the cousins offer from the getgo.
Aug 7th, 2007, 03:58 PM
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Unbelievably distorted logic rm_mn. Collecting money without delivering the goods? Sea World is there for the buyer any day they want to go!! It is the BUYER who chose not to use the 2nd day. Sea World isn't denying that buyer entrance!
Don't you see that Sea World's revenue would be cut drastically, nearly in half, if every person who went bought multi-day passes, used one day then gave them to their friends who had planned on going anyway to use the other day? It's not like a multi-day pass is double the cost of a 1 day, so Sea World would be out nothing. The multi-day pass costs $4 more, $48 rather than $44/pp! What is so difficult about this concept that you can't grasp that Sea World is in the right, and the cheats are NOT, that what they are doing is no different than stealing?? And you question the legality of their saying you can't transfer the tickets and you can't get a refund if you don't use the 2nd day? OMG On what basis??
Don't you see that Sea World's revenue would be cut drastically, nearly in half, if every person who went bought multi-day passes, used one day then gave them to their friends who had planned on going anyway to use the other day? It's not like a multi-day pass is double the cost of a 1 day, so Sea World would be out nothing. The multi-day pass costs $4 more, $48 rather than $44/pp! What is so difficult about this concept that you can't grasp that Sea World is in the right, and the cheats are NOT, that what they are doing is no different than stealing?? And you question the legality of their saying you can't transfer the tickets and you can't get a refund if you don't use the 2nd day? OMG On what basis??
Aug 7th, 2007, 04:15 PM
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I respect all opinions on this site however I find it hard to believe that many (maybe not all) of the ppl who are claiming they would never do such a thing would actually spend 200$ of their own money when faced with the opportunity to save it....the OP is just trying to save some money to do other things on their vacay by using the tickets that their cousin paid for.
As a child of honest parents, who I've never witnessed cheat or steal, this is still my opinion, my parents always set a good example for me and I don't think that a child seeing their parents use their cousin's tickets only to be told that they must purchase their own tickets because the tickets are not transferrable is setting such a horrible example.
Layla
As a child of honest parents, who I've never witnessed cheat or steal, this is still my opinion, my parents always set a good example for me and I don't think that a child seeing their parents use their cousin's tickets only to be told that they must purchase their own tickets because the tickets are not transferrable is setting such a horrible example.
Layla
