Your Opinion on "been there, done that....."
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:08 AM
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... because Mickey and Goofy make me feel welcome. Unlike in Paris ...
http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/the-wo...travelers.html
http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/the-wo...travelers.html
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:58 AM
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Grasshopper:
Johnson said that about London as you noted, but Talleyrand said something similar about Paris before the revolution according to his biographer. Not sure he would have said it after the revolution.
Thank you for reminding me of the Johnson quote.
Johnson said that about London as you noted, but Talleyrand said something similar about Paris before the revolution according to his biographer. Not sure he would have said it after the revolution.
Thank you for reminding me of the Johnson quote.
Apr 5th, 2012, 05:23 AM
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colduphere you are to funny I love Goofy and Paris. I do agree with the opinion in the article that it is a perceived rudeness.
Cultural differences are everywhere and if I am traveling to someone's territory I think I am the one who should make the effort to learn what is considered polite. If I do that I don't typically experience anymore rudeness than I would here at home.
Cultural differences are everywhere and if I am traveling to someone's territory I think I am the one who should make the effort to learn what is considered polite. If I do that I don't typically experience anymore rudeness than I would here at home.
Apr 5th, 2012, 06:00 AM
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klieghj, I do agree with you that knowing and trying to observe cultural norms is a huge help (and not doing so is a big, big reason someone may feel that they were treated rudely). I will say, though, that despite my best attempts to do as the Parisians do, I did experience more of a feeling of unwelcomeness than I have in any other place I've visited. (Of course I had some cultural snafus - the woman who grumpily said "Sit down!" when she realized I was attempting to order breakfast at the counter to eat in the restaurant will tell you that, though her reaction certainly made me less likely to do that again! I did do the best I could, though, and tried to speak as much French as I could.)
Not to say that everyone was rude - certainly I encountered some very friendly people. But it was an overall vibe. I do completely agree with the article's author that Parisians seemed to be just as "rude" to each other as they were to me (though perhaps they don't consider it rude?). So I don't think it's that they "hate Americans" or any other rumor that's going around.
<i>(In France’s defense, I’ve always found Parisians to be just as rude to each other as they are to foreigners. Outside of Paris – and even within the city – people can be as gracious as anywhere.)</i>
Not to say that everyone was rude - certainly I encountered some very friendly people. But it was an overall vibe. I do completely agree with the article's author that Parisians seemed to be just as "rude" to each other as they were to me (though perhaps they don't consider it rude?). So I don't think it's that they "hate Americans" or any other rumor that's going around.
<i>(In France’s defense, I’ve always found Parisians to be just as rude to each other as they are to foreigners. Outside of Paris – and even within the city – people can be as gracious as anywhere.)</i>
Apr 5th, 2012, 06:16 AM
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As a side note - that experience did make me think more about how international visitors to the US (or anywhere else, but that's my home turf) are perceived. How many cultural norms I observe every day that someone from, say, France would have no idea about! So my feeling as a fish completely out of water will, I hope, give me more sympathy for others in a similar situation.
Apr 5th, 2012, 11:55 AM
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Was someone mean to you, cold? Just tell me who it was and I'll tell them what to do.
Back to this thread. annesherrod, hub and I kept returning to Italy because there were so many places to explore and someone gave me a hard time about it. "Why do you keep going back to the same country?" I expect she would have been one of the been there done that types!
Back to this thread. annesherrod, hub and I kept returning to Italy because there were so many places to explore and someone gave me a hard time about it. "Why do you keep going back to the same country?" I expect she would have been one of the been there done that types!
Apr 5th, 2012, 12:47 PM
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during our last trip to Paris, DH proclaimed [the verb "said" just isn't strong enough] that he had fallen out of love with Paris. ? just when i was thinking about our next trip, and possibly the one after that.
what do you do when your favourite place becomes his/her "been there/done that" destination?
what do you do when your favourite place becomes his/her "been there/done that" destination?
Apr 5th, 2012, 01:18 PM
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Not everyone thinks the same. I've been very blessed to have spent time in Paris and Ireland. I studied abroad in Dublin for 9 months as an undergrad. I didn't have a lot of extra money so I got one trip to Paris (4 days) and some travel around the rest of Ireland. Two years later I was there again for 10 weeks as part of grad program. That same grad program included 2 weeks in Paris.
Six years later I am planning my first trip back to Europe. Part of me is already kicking myself for not including a stop in Dublin. Dublin is one of those places that had my heart from the moment I arrived. In fact as I write this right now I can't think of a better place to spend an afternoon that in St. Stephens Green. But that's me
I spent a considerable amount of time in Ireland and still didn't see every place I wanted, too. I will visit again, but for this trip I only have so much time off from work and I want to expand my horizons. I really want to spend time on the French Riviera and in London and since I'm traveling with a friend who hasn't been to France it makes sense to include a few days in Paris otherwise Paris would be a short stop on my way to Nice.
Just remember while you may have found her response sort of abrasive, she might have found your response equally perplexing.
Six years later I am planning my first trip back to Europe. Part of me is already kicking myself for not including a stop in Dublin. Dublin is one of those places that had my heart from the moment I arrived. In fact as I write this right now I can't think of a better place to spend an afternoon that in St. Stephens Green. But that's me
I spent a considerable amount of time in Ireland and still didn't see every place I wanted, too. I will visit again, but for this trip I only have so much time off from work and I want to expand my horizons. I really want to spend time on the French Riviera and in London and since I'm traveling with a friend who hasn't been to France it makes sense to include a few days in Paris otherwise Paris would be a short stop on my way to Nice.
Just remember while you may have found her response sort of abrasive, she might have found your response equally perplexing.
Apr 5th, 2012, 01:51 PM
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I agree with the tack that so many cities have multiple layers. I also agree with the people who say, "Eh, one traveler is not like the other."
For me, I say, "Too many places, not enough time or money for all of them."
That is why I will probably not repeat cities where I have already been. Unless I find that lottery ticket that I hid at Mcdonald's !
For me, I say, "Too many places, not enough time or money for all of them."
That is why I will probably not repeat cities where I have already been. Unless I find that lottery ticket that I hid at Mcdonald's !
Apr 5th, 2012, 06:18 PM
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"been there, done that"
I think that statement is condesending, arrogant and implies superiority with a touch of snobbiness.
On a related note since I have stayed at the Paris Casino and Hotel in Las Vegas does that mean that I've seen the real Paris?
I think that statement is condesending, arrogant and implies superiority with a touch of snobbiness.
On a related note since I have stayed at the Paris Casino and Hotel in Las Vegas does that mean that I've seen the real Paris?
Apr 6th, 2012, 10:53 AM
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I agree with ziggypop. I have never liked that phrase because it is arrogant & smacks of snobbery & elitism. As if the person making the comment is so rich & can afford to travel all over the world. If someone would love to go to Paris but can't afford to, that is an especially hurtful & obnoxious comment. It's a put down. I think a more appropriate comment would be simply to say "i've been to Paris before and would like to see a new region of France on this trip." That's more appropriate.
As far as returning to a destination, everyone is different. There is no right or wrong way. I understand why people want to return to a particular destination but at the same time, I understand why some people don't. We generally don't return to the same place twice, not because we didn't like it, but because we like to see new places whenever we travel, and we can't afford to take multiple trips in a year. So on our one vacation per year, we usually go some place new.
As far as returning to a destination, everyone is different. There is no right or wrong way. I understand why people want to return to a particular destination but at the same time, I understand why some people don't. We generally don't return to the same place twice, not because we didn't like it, but because we like to see new places whenever we travel, and we can't afford to take multiple trips in a year. So on our one vacation per year, we usually go some place new.
Apr 6th, 2012, 12:03 PM
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Ann, would he maybe enjoy a golf vacation on his own?>>
lol, he'd rather stick pins in his eyes!
However, I gently mentioned the idea of going to Sri Lanka in September when the cricket world cup is on, and we might have a winner!
lol, he'd rather stick pins in his eyes!
However, I gently mentioned the idea of going to Sri Lanka in September when the cricket world cup is on, and we might have a winner!
