fuzzbucket

The registration number can't be faked, because there are only enough spaces to put the numbers in on the form.
They are tied to the taxe d'habitation and taxe fonciere.

I am already seeing properties that are being sold "furniture included".

bvh

Looks like the listings at ParisBestLodge have dwindled. Still, for the ones left, no numbers.

1994

Bvh - yes I checked there too and saw no numbers. Also checked several other 'well regarded' agencies and saw no numbers on them either.

fuzzbucket

It is way too soon. You'll just have to wait until 1 January 2018 until things settle down.

I imagine a lot of agencies don't know what to do.

MmePerdu

I just chose an apartment at random on Airbnb. Near the top of the text under the photo it says, "The Space" then "+More". Click on that & scroll down to the registration number:

License or registration number
7511800093027

Then a link to "Learn about this number" takes you here:

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/...n-number-field

It seems all very clear to me. I'm very glad this is finally being clarified & implemented.

Nikki

I will be interested to see whether the new system results in more apartments becoming available for working people within Paris or whether it results in more apartments owned as vacation properties by people rich enough to not have to rent them out short term.

progol

I've been checking AirBnB listings for Paris and, so far, I don't see any registration numbers. I must be missing something but none of the places (and I've looked at half a dozen at least) have anything listed.

swandav2000

Here's an example of a listing with a reference number:

Check out this HomeAway rental:
https://t.hmwy.io/r2kd/IebfTIz2cH

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fuzzbucket

It will probably be a mix of people selling their apartments for Parisian residents to move into, and others renting them out for their vacations.

It will probably not be feasible for many people to keep their investment properties, so I'd expect to see fewer of them.

fuzzbucket

swandav2000 - the link did not work for me.

swandav2000

Oh sorry.

Go to property # 1474768 at home away.com

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Envierges

I hadn't noticed this previously because I don't do much apartment searching but while looking for one for a friend, I found listings for apartments, privately owned not part of a chain, on booking. com. Is this new or have I just not noticed before? Will these also sport registration numbers?

Sarastro

<i>I've been checking AirBnB listings for Paris and, so far, I don't see any registration numbers.</i>

This might be an indication of the number of legal apartments on Aribnb. However, owners still have until December 1st to register.

<i>Here's an example of a listing with a reference number:</i>

I do not see a city registration number on this listing. The ¨reference¨ number is not a city registration number as shown by MmePerdu´s post above.

<i>swandav2000 - the link did not work for me.</i>

In an effort to hide from city inspectors, Home Away has blocked access to their site from those with ISPs in Paris. However, city inspectors know how to use VPNs and are able to circumnavigate blocking attempts (just like I just did).

<i>Will these also sport registration numbers?</i>

Any and all short term rentals, those rented for a period of fewer than 12 months, must be registered with the city.

Envierges

Home Away has blocked access to their site from those with ISPs in Paris.

Thank you!!!! No wonder I'm having trouble with lots of agencies

Envierges

This one has a registration number.

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1288970...nce&s=FX2BgJdp

Sarastro

Envierges - I agree. You have found a listing with a city registration number making it completely legal to rent for up to 120 days annually.

Starting this December, when registration numbers are required on all listings, it may not be as difficult to find registered apartments. There may also be many fewer total apartments listed.

swandav2000

Oh yes, I see the difference now. I wonder what that "Reference number" is then. Weird.

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scrb11

So if the market is flooded with apartments because the city has killed their rental income potential, that should put downward pressure on prices.

fuzzbucket

First of all, not all rental apartments will be sold.
Second of all, many property owners will be able to keep them as a source of revenue.
Third, there are rental platforms that the city enforces to keep things from getting out of control, based on a price per square meter by arrondissement and the condition of the building.

You can look everything up at the notaire's office next time you're in Paris.

kerouac

Yes, the whole point is to get people to put these apartments on the "normal" rental market. Obviously, they will earn much less money by doing that, so of course some of them will be sold. And this might help to bring the prices down in the real estate market, even though I doubt it.

As for people who say "well, I'll just keep my apartment empty" if they can't soak tourists for it, it should be noted that cities will a population higher than 200,000 have had a "vacant apartment tax" since 1999. It was extended to cities with a population of over 50,000 in 2013. The first year the tax is 12.5% of the annual rental value. The second year the tax rises to 25%. There are currently plans to double the tax until it hurts.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxe_s...ements_vacants