crazyfamilyof4

wow ann! THANK YOU!!! I didn't have that!

crazyfamilyof4

Ok latest possible changes that can still be changed due to nothing being booked!

8th July - 3nights Avignon

then

2 Nights in Saint Raph

1 night in San remo

4 nights Varenna

1 week - villa near Florance

2 nights Varona

1 night innsbruck

2 night Munich

3 night Prague

3/4 night Berlin
3-4 night Frankfurt - day trip to offenburg and Luxembourg during this stay

OK THOUGHTS???

annhig

crazy - I really don't like the "one night stands". [also the spelling is a bit confusing - where is St. Raph? - and do you mean Verona? Florence?]

according to google maps, Avignon to Sanremo is 315 kms/3 hours drive, so doable in a day, and Sanremo to Varenno [assuming thats's the spelling and you're talking about the place in the province of Lecco north of Milan - see why the spelling is important] is another 3 1/2 hours.

so I don't understand why you are splitting the journey into 3 bits instead of 2 at this point.

also, after Florence, you have 2 -1 - 2 - but it's only 4-5 hours from Verona to munich, so unless you desperately want a night in Innsbruck, why are you stopping there?

sorry to disrupt your plans, but you DID ask!

crazyfamilyof4

Hi Ann! Oh my spelling is shocking as the mac auto corrects everything! It drives me nuts!!!

Saint Raphael is in France . . .our friends got engaged there so we thought it would be nice to go there but it could be a day trip

SO I thought Avignon to San Remo and then onto Varenna (Lake Como) would be better then heading straight to Varenna . .what do you think?

I thought the drive from Verona to Munich was longer but hey we can so do a 4/5 hr trip with a lunch stop somewhere

Thanks ann for helping me through this trip! I know it is going to be amazing because you have ALL helped me sooo very much!

I really am thankful!!!

thursdaysd

You should be able to turn auto correct off. It was one of the first things I did when I got an iPad!

crazyfamilyof4

gosh I wonder where! I have decided the easiest thing to do is to go back to windows

thursdaysd

crazy - I'm a PC aficionado from way back and the only Apple product I have is the iPad, so I can't help with the MAC. Aside from a search with "auto correct off" and the name of your operating system, I'd start here:
https://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa

annhig

crazy - do check the driving times yourself -and with correct spellings! - and add on at least another 50% for traffic hold-ups etc etc.

i'm not saying don't stop between Avignon and Varenna, but I didn't understand why you were stopping at Sanremo AND Saint Raphael. ditto why Innsbruck on the way to Munich, unless there was a special reason.

at the risk of repeating myself, I think that with kids longer stops with longer drives in between are a better idea than moving more often with short drives, because the kids seem to like settling in somewhere for a few days rather than moving on all the time.

peterlaengauer

Europe is easy to travel also with baby/small kid...

we sometimes start at 4 in the morning with the car, after 5h driving baby wake up and can enjoy the place where we arrived.

https://plus.google.com/photos/10575...7620123/albums


Peter

dugi_otok

Testing my understanding. This is the latest?
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Ok latest possible changes that can still be changed due to nothing being booked!
8th July - 3nights Avignon
then
2 Nights in Saint Raph
1 night in San remo
4 nights Varenna
1 week - villa near Florance
2 nights Varona
1 night innsbruck
2 night Munich
3 night Prague
3/4 night Berlin
3-4 night Frankfurt - day trip to offenburg and Luxembourg during this stay

OK THOUGHTS???
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Instead of 3 Avignon I would stay 3 in St Remy. I have stayed at a hotel within the walls of Avignon and it was OK, but a lot of urban blight in the surrounding area. It was not that convenient for full or half day trips to other areas.

Then If I was staying in St. Remy choose from for visits:
Pont du Gard
les Baux
Arles
Avignon-a short visit to see the old town, popes palace, park,
and the nursery rhyme bridge
L'Isle-sur-la-Sorgue (only if on Sunday market day)
Lavender fields near Sault(north from St Saturin-les-Apt) if in season(July).
Luberon Hill towns Gordes and Roussillon.
Petit Luberon towns Oppede-le-Vieux,Menerbes,LaCoste,Bonnieux

Your order of stops Varenna-Tuscany Villa-Verona could be improved on, I propose a modification:
Avignon-X-Y-Tuscany-Varenna
Also since most villas/agriturismos in Tuscany rent from Saturday to Saturday, you must get to Tuscany in 2 days(-X-Y-)
From St Remy (or Avignon if you must) stop in Saint Raphael for a coffee and then proceed on to 1 night in St-Paul-de-Vence or Menton in France, or to Italy( Sanremo is a little has been for me).
The second night I would stop in Pisa and then on to your Tuscan Villa.
So as an example:
St Remy (3)
St-Paul (1)
Pisa(1)
Tuscany (7)
(Varenna) (4)
Then on to your itinerary Verona, Innsbruck, etc.

For Tuscany I have stayed in the north, Chianti-the area between Florence and Siena and the area south of Siena near Pienza. I like the area near Pienza the best. When I was there I made day trips To Montalcino, Montepulciano,Sant'Antimo, Siena, Umbria-Assisi and Perugia to name a few. You could also do a day trip to Rome by train. Florence is also possible.

I am planning another trip and will probably stay here: Agriturismo Cretaiole
http://www.cretaiole.it/index.en.php
http://www.cretaiole.it/galleria.en....deo_4#galleria

Some backups:
http://www.lafonte.toscana.it/en/appartamenti/
http://www.fontebertusi.it/eng/holid...al-d-orcia.asp
http://www.agriturismocerreto.com/descrizione-ing.htm

annhig

dugi - they look like great suggestions. I've never been to St Remy but on the back of those suggestions, it looks like one could spend a great fortnight there.

thanks for all the ideas.

crazyfamilyof4

WOW!!! Looks great dugi!!! Will def take that onto consideration and make those possible changes! Thank you!!!

NorCal_Jo

This is the first time I've seen this post so don't know all the prior considerations but if Prague is a must do for your husband, have you considered Vienna instead of some of the German cities? I only say this because we live in UK and one of our most fun trips with our 2 and 4 year old is to Vienna with days spent at the Prater where our kids and us LOVED all the old time amusement rides and renting bikes (we did the one where they sat in front and mom/dad pedaled in the back) and riding the train, etc etc. Anyway, just a thought!

crazyfamilyof4

ooohhh we have been to vienna 10 years ago so as much as this sounds like fun I think lego land in Munich might just beat it but thanks for your suggestion!

dugi_otok

Building on my previous post ( 1 day saved)
St Remy (3)
St-Paul (1)
Pisa(1)
Tuscany (7)
Varenna (4)
Then instead of Verona(2), Innsbruck(1), Munich(2) because you want to go to Legoland which is 70+ miles and 1 hour and 40 min each way as a day trip from Munich you can go Varenna to Guzburg (Legoland):248 miles, 6 hours.The route takes you Varenna-St Moritz-Chur-Vaduz-Appenzellerland-[Lindau, Lake Constance(Bodensee)]-Memmingen-Ulm-Guzburg.

Varenna to Guzburg can be done in 1 or 2 days. Then a full day at Legoland. Sleep another night in Guzburg or drive on to Munich that night or tomorrow morning.Munich for 2 nights.You are back on your itinerary with 0-2 days saved to be added to the rest of the trip.