Top five NO-NOs on your overseas flight
Jun 19th, 2006, 09:44 AM
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Let me address the 'changing the baby' issue, having done that myself, many times. If the baby is to the 'smelling stage' it is going to smell, regardless, until the appropriate steps are taken. Obviously JAGIRL is not a parent...: )...
Jun 19th, 2006, 09:51 AM
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Yes, but that doesn't mean you can't go to the plane bathroom to change the child. Doing so at the seat is unsanitary, rude, and downright nasty.
Even worse if it's done during meal service.
When the idiot in front of you won't bring his seat to the upright position.
Even worse if it's done during meal service.
When the idiot in front of you won't bring his seat to the upright position.
Jun 19th, 2006, 09:53 AM
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Do not think that others around you need to accomodate your every like and dislike....it's mass traveling...until we can afford to charter a private plane, we all have to deal with people around us.
Jun 19th, 2006, 09:57 AM
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SAnParis: I don't have kids, never had kids, don't like kids "in general" and love some very much "in particular". I really feel for those that are traveling with an infant. I think sometimes some people think you are poking pins in the baby just to be sure he/she will cry all the way from NY to London, or where ever. Yes, it gets on my nerves but they are only babies so you have to cut them some slack, and I don't think the parents are all that happy about it either. Is there a changing table in the head? I have never noticed.
I had someone behind me on my last trip that obviously had a very bad cold. It was awful, but I don't know what that person's situation was. As bad as they were feeling, my guess is, they would have rather been home in bed, but for some reason had to travel. I didn't get sick, thank goodness. I know it's all going to be over fairly soon, I will have a grand vacation at the end of the line, so just deal with it.
I had someone behind me on my last trip that obviously had a very bad cold. It was awful, but I don't know what that person's situation was. As bad as they were feeling, my guess is, they would have rather been home in bed, but for some reason had to travel. I didn't get sick, thank goodness. I know it's all going to be over fairly soon, I will have a grand vacation at the end of the line, so just deal with it.
Jun 19th, 2006, 10:09 AM
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Boy, re-reading my post, and sounding like a baby-hater!
I realizing traveling with infants is very trying, and I don't get upset when a baby is crying. I would to, in their shoes, I know they can't help it, their poor ears hurt!
However, what parents decide to do with their children is another story. Babies can't help pooing... mommies can help exposing other people to the poo.
Mommies (and daddies) can also help keep older children occupied so they don't run up and down the aisles, kick the seat in front of them, or jump in their seats. Yes, this bothers other folks. Parents who refuse to stop their children are the worst -- but usually a POLITE request from another passenger is sufficient to help the parent realize their child is misbehaving. If it doesn't, I usually grin and bear it, though an occasional stern look to the child can do wonders.
Not much else you can do this day and age without consequences.
I realizing traveling with infants is very trying, and I don't get upset when a baby is crying. I would to, in their shoes, I know they can't help it, their poor ears hurt!
However, what parents decide to do with their children is another story. Babies can't help pooing... mommies can help exposing other people to the poo.
Mommies (and daddies) can also help keep older children occupied so they don't run up and down the aisles, kick the seat in front of them, or jump in their seats. Yes, this bothers other folks. Parents who refuse to stop their children are the worst -- but usually a POLITE request from another passenger is sufficient to help the parent realize their child is misbehaving. If it doesn't, I usually grin and bear it, though an occasional stern look to the child can do wonders.
Not much else you can do this day and age without consequences.
Jun 19th, 2006, 10:13 AM
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Bring lots of thing for the kids to do.
Pick up that crying baby!
I was on the U-Bahn going to the Munich airport not long ago and a little girl was crying; the mother, (taking up a good quarter of the car with her endless supply of luggage), wouldn't comfort the poor little kid. Finally, the dad came to the rescue- picked up the kid and everyone was happy.
Know that if you can't fit all of you into your seat, I'm going to take a dim view of the part of you that's trying to crowd into my seat. I get grumpy when squished.
Pick up that crying baby!
I was on the U-Bahn going to the Munich airport not long ago and a little girl was crying; the mother, (taking up a good quarter of the car with her endless supply of luggage), wouldn't comfort the poor little kid. Finally, the dad came to the rescue- picked up the kid and everyone was happy.
Know that if you can't fit all of you into your seat, I'm going to take a dim view of the part of you that's trying to crowd into my seat. I get grumpy when squished.
Jun 19th, 2006, 10:16 AM
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On a flight to London, I had small child repeatedly kick the back of my seat. I finally turned around and asked him (politely, of course!) to please stop kicking the back of the seat. For the next four hours I kept hearing the mom say "Timmy, keep your feet away from the seat in front of you. Don't kick that ladies' seat". She must have said it a hundred times. I think I would have preferred having my seat kicked.
Sometimes you can't win!
Sometimes you can't win!
Jun 19th, 2006, 10:18 AM
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Yes, there are changing tables that fold down essentially over the toilet + you have to dispose of the diapers in a 'puke bag'. You can't always get into a restroom right away, & I can tell you that a crying baby is not good for anyone...My first goal is to make my child happy, if that means changing it in the seat, so be it (& no I wouldn't do it while someone was eating) unless they were eating sardines or something. BTW, you wouldn't be sitting by me anyway as my wife & child would have all three seats, unless we happen to be on a big plane going to Europe. Not sure what would be unsanitary about changing a baby if it is done properly, last time I checked we all share similar bodily functions, do we not ? I guess it's the lessor of two evils, would you prefer the screaming, unhappy baby or the changed baby ? Fortunately I am nearly past this phase & both of my small children are excellent travelers. Sorry if I put their well-being before anyone on here...Re: the people w/illnesses, just last week on the way to NY this kid gets on the plane filling up his second or third 'air sickness bag'. After some discussion, he was allowed to board since he didn't have a fever (?!) though he was (& had been) admittedly ill w/a stomach virus. That concerns me much more than any of the other inconveniences that have been listed so far.
Jun 19th, 2006, 10:27 AM
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If I'm not sitting next to the baby being changed, I'm cool. However, I've seen a baby being changed and the projectiles that can come from it I'd rather not get a 'volley' from the seat behind me during the flight! That's my main concern... and yes, someone else's bodily functions ARE unsanitary. Which is why we have bathrooms -- of which there are several on each flight. You are smart to book a 'set' of seats together
Smells also increase once any covering is opened, so opening the diaper increases the unpleasantness exponentially. Remember, we aren't mommies, and therefore aren't inured to the aroma of your baby's bottom!
Again, not saying this to be mean, just trying to point out that not everyone has the same attitudes about what is and is not acceptable. Since this is a NO-NO thread, that's one of mine.
That being said, I've flown next to some incredibly polite and pleasant folks, both mommies, kids, and other adults. The exceptions are, thank god, in the minority so far for me.
I'd rather not get a 'volley' from the seat behind me during the flight! That's my main concern... and yes, someone else's bodily functions ARE unsanitary. Which is why we have bathrooms -- of which there are several on each flight. You are smart to book a 'set' of seats together Smells also increase once any covering is opened, so opening the diaper increases the unpleasantness exponentially. Remember, we aren't mommies, and therefore aren't inured to the aroma of your baby's bottom!
Again, not saying this to be mean, just trying to point out that not everyone has the same attitudes about what is and is not acceptable. Since this is a NO-NO thread, that's one of mine.
That being said, I've flown next to some incredibly polite and pleasant folks, both mommies, kids, and other adults. The exceptions are, thank god, in the minority so far for me.
Jun 19th, 2006, 10:35 AM
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"Not sure what would be unsanitary about changing a baby if it is done properly, last time I checked we all share similar bodily functions, do we not ? "
Indeed we do - which is why the place is the bathroom and NOT in the seat
Indeed we do - which is why the place is the bathroom and NOT in the seat
Jun 19th, 2006, 10:52 AM
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Dragon - I understand your concerns, but there are methods w/which experienced parents can use to protect themselves (& others) from any projectile phenomena. Certainly it is not our first choice to change a baby in a seat (of any kind) however, one must adapt to the situation, at hand, as required. BTW, not even parents are 'inured' to the odors of their childs excrement, but it would be nice... The whole changing process involves changing items, its not like we're just throwing the kid on the bare, naked seat...yeech...who knows whats been there ?!? LOL
Jun 19th, 2006, 11:01 AM
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I used to fly SAS from Copenhagen to Seattle. Always saw a few passengers overly enjoy the free alcohol. One woman even needed oxygen. It wasn't fun to see, hear and smell.
Give me poopy diapers anytime.
Give me poopy diapers anytime.
Jun 19th, 2006, 11:04 AM
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Nes - suppose the movie has just ended & your child has decided to 'make a deposit' & is now screaming at the top of their lungs as others try to sleep. Just want to go get in line w/a screaming child for 20 minutes or so while the line clears ??
Jun 19th, 2006, 11:06 AM
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I know, I know, I should just leave the kids at their Grandparents (who live 4 states away) while my wife & I whisk off to Europe for 17 days...I'm surprised no one has come up w/that solution yet...
Jun 19th, 2006, 11:16 AM
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I can't understand why parents just don't give their children an big tablespoon of cough syrup before getting on the plane. This will knock them out for hours. Believe me, the kids will be much happier for it in the long run (and so will everyone else).
Did anyone ever read Thingorjus' post on the kid that kept kicking the back of his seat on a flight from London? After the flight, Thin went to retrieve his Louis Vuitton (soft) luggage in the overhead bin. He "accidentally" dropped the bag on the kid's head. Ooopppppppppps!
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Did anyone ever read Thingorjus' post on the kid that kept kicking the back of his seat on a flight from London? After the flight, Thin went to retrieve his Louis Vuitton (soft) luggage in the overhead bin. He "accidentally" dropped the bag on the kid's head. Ooopppppppppps!
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Jun 19th, 2006, 11:18 AM
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ahh SAn...never meant to cause all these ruffled feathers over the baby changing thing! 
Sweety, and I say this with all the love in the world...the sight and smell of that baby poop grossed me out! What can I say?
Maybe it was the fact that I was stuck beside it and not able to go anywhere for at least 5 more hours that freaked me out!
You're right...I'm not a parent.
Sweety, and I say this with all the love in the world...the sight and smell of that baby poop grossed me out! What can I say?
Maybe it was the fact that I was stuck beside it and not able to go anywhere for at least 5 more hours that freaked me out! You're right...I'm not a parent.
