The Impact of AirBnB in Paris
Jun 20th, 2016, 09:40 AM
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MmePerdu, I have had wonderful host and in turn have been a good renter many times. My niece just used airbnb for two weeks all over Italy and had no bad host or apartments. She kept posting host gifts at each rental. Very pleasant. We have done rental vacations since I was a young child, over 55 years and that is how we vacationed at the seashore.This is not a new concept. NYC has got their wish. Only 30 day airbnb rentals now.
Jun 20th, 2016, 09:51 AM
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"I've never turned down a request..."
I take that back, I did turn down 1 request, blatant discrimination. Dogs. My accommodation description includes "pet free", so those with allergies won't be afraid to book. And also, I admit, I'm not crazy about having other people's animals in my house. So when someone ignored that item I turned them down. "Thank you for your interest".
I take that back, I did turn down 1 request, blatant discrimination. Dogs. My accommodation description includes "pet free", so those with allergies won't be afraid to book. And also, I admit, I'm not crazy about having other people's animals in my house. So when someone ignored that item I turned them down. "Thank you for your interest".
Jul 6th, 2016, 08:03 AM
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I have not read the articles written in NYT or the other mainstream media outlets mentioned because of the political biases of all those so mentioned...but I have been reading the myriad takes and opinions on these threads this morning.
Having been a user of the three major rental sites for 12 years, I am very interested in knowing of the requirements or responsibilities I have as well as those of the agencies.
Aside from now having been "enlightened" , I will say that vacation rentals are my strong preference when I travel. I am single and retired and travel at a leisurely pace. I like getting up and making my own cup of coffee and perhaps sitting out on "my" terrace or balcony each morning. I enjoy very much the EXTRA care taken by many of my hosts to ensure my stay is special. I will note just one: French steaming hot banquette, chocolate croissant, and one plain ...hung outside my gorgeous apt door each morning in a beautiful hand made linen bag. The cost for a one week stay 500Euro in early Nov.
The ability to vet the apartments via customer reviews as well as vice versa, by hosts is a very valuable resource.
I love this mode, personally .
With all this said, I am with Fuzzy . Why should any of these sites have to pay tax revenue to any of these cities?? That should be the responsibility of the home owner.
Does the mega giant ad agency of Deutsch, Inc. have responsibility of paying your luxutry tax on that Vuitton bag you purchased at Louis Vuitton?
This is nothing short of "we are out to get those evil rich guys" and make it harder for them to do or stay in business. If Uber and Airbnb had no market they would not be successful. These "sites" have been bringing tourist dollars to these cities that would not otherwise be there. I am one of these people. Without this option of travel. I will be unable to spend my money over the course of a month, but instead a week to ten days at best.
For many others, (me prior to retiring) it would have been the difference of being unaffordable vs affordable.
Go Uber! Go Airbnb!
Having been a user of the three major rental sites for 12 years, I am very interested in knowing of the requirements or responsibilities I have as well as those of the agencies.
Aside from now having been "enlightened" , I will say that vacation rentals are my strong preference when I travel. I am single and retired and travel at a leisurely pace. I like getting up and making my own cup of coffee and perhaps sitting out on "my" terrace or balcony each morning. I enjoy very much the EXTRA care taken by many of my hosts to ensure my stay is special. I will note just one: French steaming hot banquette, chocolate croissant, and one plain ...hung outside my gorgeous apt door each morning in a beautiful hand made linen bag. The cost for a one week stay 500Euro in early Nov.
The ability to vet the apartments via customer reviews as well as vice versa, by hosts is a very valuable resource.
I love this mode, personally .
With all this said, I am with Fuzzy . Why should any of these sites have to pay tax revenue to any of these cities?? That should be the responsibility of the home owner.
Does the mega giant ad agency of Deutsch, Inc. have responsibility of paying your luxutry tax on that Vuitton bag you purchased at Louis Vuitton?
This is nothing short of "we are out to get those evil rich guys" and make it harder for them to do or stay in business. If Uber and Airbnb had no market they would not be successful. These "sites" have been bringing tourist dollars to these cities that would not otherwise be there. I am one of these people. Without this option of travel. I will be unable to spend my money over the course of a month, but instead a week to ten days at best.
For many others, (me prior to retiring) it would have been the difference of being unaffordable vs affordable.
Go Uber! Go Airbnb!
Jul 6th, 2016, 09:03 AM
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@thursdaysd.... I happen to live in a very (read
verly) populated and popular tourist area where many houses are tented out to over zealous (rowdy) college kids in summer. It is part of what we put up with... As tourism dollars are paramount to the inconvenience of a few sleepless nights or a few beer bottles thrown onto your front lawn. Let me just say that ?I do not see this as Airbnb's responsibility. I see this as the homeowners responsibility. Airbnb is merely the agency that organizes and simplifies the whole rental process for those of us looking for a rental and imo they have done a stellar job of doing so.
Go Airbnb! Go Uber!
verly) populated and popular tourist area where many houses are tented out to over zealous (rowdy) college kids in summer. It is part of what we put up with... As tourism dollars are paramount to the inconvenience of a few sleepless nights or a few beer bottles thrown onto your front lawn. Let me just say that ?I do not see this as Airbnb's responsibility. I see this as the homeowners responsibility. Airbnb is merely the agency that organizes and simplifies the whole rental process for those of us looking for a rental and imo they have done a stellar job of doing so.Go Airbnb! Go Uber!
Jul 6th, 2016, 09:09 AM
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It is your choice to live in that area. People who have not made that choice, and do not care about tourist dollars, are also suffering. And it is no easy matter to enforce local regulations against rentals.
Of course it is AirBnB's responsibility to only list legal rentals.
Of course it is AirBnB's responsibility to only list legal rentals.
Jul 6th, 2016, 09:27 AM
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Cape Cod certainly needs tourist money more than the tiny percentage that such rentals bring Paris. Tourists represent 6% of the local economy and the vast majority of them are staying in hotels. And since everybody, including the tourists, is saying that Paris is overcrowded now, everybody's quality of life would improve with a gentle decline in tourist numbers.
Jul 6th, 2016, 09:55 AM
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When the dust settles in Paris, no one - property owner, occasional renter, agency - will even be able to list vacation rentals on the internet unless they have registered with the City's new computer program and can prove that they declare revenue and pay appropriate taxes.
Also sprach Hotelverband...
Also sprach Hotelverband...
Jul 6th, 2016, 12:58 PM
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AirBnb has no responsibility when renting an illegal rental ?
And what about the guy selling fake Vuitton on the street ?
The street seller is merely the agency that organizes and simplifies the whole selling process for those of us looking for a good deal and imo he is doing a stellar job of doing so.
Where am I wrong ?
And what about the guy selling fake Vuitton on the street ?
The street seller is merely the agency that organizes and simplifies the whole selling process for those of us looking for a good deal and imo he is doing a stellar job of doing so.
Where am I wrong ?
Jul 6th, 2016, 01:06 PM
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It is a shame on Paris if they do not enforce laws on the books - anyway in my News from France from the French Embassy last fall said that Paris had reached an accord with airbnb about taxes, etc.
If anyone does not pay their taxes and the city does nothing about it whose fault is it - both.
I understand local residents high dudgeon about airbnb guests soiling their flats but I think most airbnb guests are thoughtful, etc.
anyway many supporters of airbnb in this thread and thousands of satisfied Paris airbnb customers apparently.
And aribnbn paid over 1.25 million bucks in taxes last year this Forbes article says:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliar.../#6167362163c9
If anyone does not pay their taxes and the city does nothing about it whose fault is it - both.
I understand local residents high dudgeon about airbnb guests soiling their flats but I think most airbnb guests are thoughtful, etc.
anyway many supporters of airbnb in this thread and thousands of satisfied Paris airbnb customers apparently.
And aribnbn paid over 1.25 million bucks in taxes last year this Forbes article says:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ceciliar.../#6167362163c9
Jul 6th, 2016, 02:13 PM
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Well tell that to your local government which allows this to happen, allegedly!
You are talking about the hosts not airbnb per se - tax dodgers again are the responsibility of your local authorities not airbnb who pays their taxes on par with hotels for hotel tax.
You are talking about the hosts not airbnb per se - tax dodgers again are the responsibility of your local authorities not airbnb who pays their taxes on par with hotels for hotel tax.
Jul 6th, 2016, 02:17 PM
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<i>It is a shame on Paris if they do not enforce laws on the books</i>
From where did you get the impression that Paris is not enforcing rental laws? The mayor's office has a task force of 25 full time agents following up on rental law violators, issuing fines, and shutting down illegal rentals. Admittedly, the city could use a lot more inspectors.
<i>my News from France from the French Embassy last fall said that Paris had reached an accord with airbnb about taxes, etc</i>
This is correct however, airbnb only agreed to begin to collect and to forward the <i>taxe de séjour</i> to preclude their being forced to pay years of back taxes that they had avoided. This agreement resolved nothing other than 2€ per head, per night tax that hotels have been collecting and paying for years.
It's not the local residents who illegally rent their apartments who are complaining, it is those who see their buildings inundated with strangers, those who see property values diminish as buildings become black market hotels, and families who lose their long-term leases to owners who rent their apartments to visitors at rates four times higher than the residents were paying.
<i>many supporters of airbnb in this thread and thousands of satisfied Paris airbnb customers apparently.</i>
Unfortunately, the tens of thousands of furious apartment owners who do not want the buildings in which they live turned into temporary accommodations for transients are not here to explain their anger and assure you of their frustration.
The French government is rather sensitive to the needs and complaints of their voting citizenry. Expect more laws and enforcement of black market rental apartments to appear in the upcoming months.
From where did you get the impression that Paris is not enforcing rental laws? The mayor's office has a task force of 25 full time agents following up on rental law violators, issuing fines, and shutting down illegal rentals. Admittedly, the city could use a lot more inspectors.
<i>my News from France from the French Embassy last fall said that Paris had reached an accord with airbnb about taxes, etc</i>
This is correct however, airbnb only agreed to begin to collect and to forward the <i>taxe de séjour</i> to preclude their being forced to pay years of back taxes that they had avoided. This agreement resolved nothing other than 2€ per head, per night tax that hotels have been collecting and paying for years.
It's not the local residents who illegally rent their apartments who are complaining, it is those who see their buildings inundated with strangers, those who see property values diminish as buildings become black market hotels, and families who lose their long-term leases to owners who rent their apartments to visitors at rates four times higher than the residents were paying.
<i>many supporters of airbnb in this thread and thousands of satisfied Paris airbnb customers apparently.</i>
Unfortunately, the tens of thousands of furious apartment owners who do not want the buildings in which they live turned into temporary accommodations for transients are not here to explain their anger and assure you of their frustration.
The French government is rather sensitive to the needs and complaints of their voting citizenry. Expect more laws and enforcement of black market rental apartments to appear in the upcoming months.
Jul 6th, 2016, 04:27 PM
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There is an ad in Food and Wine and also Bon Appetit magazines, for AirBnB that is an ad for Paris. But it has a tone more of renting a room in someone else's house rather than an entire apartment.
The ad is pretty cheesy. Some dude looking starry eyed at another (presumably married because he is wearing a ring) dude while frying up a crepe.
It just seems odd that with all this hubbub they are choosing to advertise Paris AirBnBs instead of some other place's.
The ad is pretty cheesy. Some dude looking starry eyed at another (presumably married because he is wearing a ring) dude while frying up a crepe.
It just seems odd that with all this hubbub they are choosing to advertise Paris AirBnBs instead of some other place's.
Jul 6th, 2016, 06:47 PM
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Macross ... Here is one review
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Lovely
My husband and I stayed for a week at La Madone. The building is charming and our apartment (the Baroque) was beautifully decorated, fitting the setting. The pool area and garden is also very peaceful and we spend a lot of time relaxing there. As the other guests mentioned, the touch of having croissants delivered and waiting outside your door every morning was very appreciated. Our bed was one of our favorite parts of the apartment...so comfy!!
We were not certain of our choice of Apt as a central location, but the town itself had everything we needed and everything (including some good restaurants) was well within walking distance. Many of the villages we wished to visit were within a reasonable driving distance. Looking back, we were very happy we chose Apt, as its size was a good compromise between a tiny village with no much going on and a larger more bustling city like Aix. We highly recommend LaMadone!
So, many thanks, Natalie and Bernard....and special thanks to Bernard for coming up with a guitar for my husband to play when he was longing for his!
Matawan, NJ, USA
Lovely
My husband and I stayed for a week at La Madone. The building is charming and our apartment (the Baroque) was beautifully decorated, fitting the setting. The pool area and garden is also very peaceful and we spend a lot of time relaxing there. As the other guests mentioned, the touch of having croissants delivered and waiting outside your door every morning was very appreciated. Our bed was one of our favorite parts of the apartment...so comfy!!
We were not certain of our choice of Apt as a central location, but the town itself had everything we needed and everything (including some good restaurants) was well within walking distance. Many of the villages we wished to visit were within a reasonable driving distance. Looking back, we were very happy we chose Apt, as its size was a good compromise between a tiny village with no much going on and a larger more bustling city like Aix. We highly recommend LaMadone!
So, many thanks, Natalie and Bernard....and special thanks to Bernard for coming up with a guitar for my husband to play when he was longing for his!
Jul 7th, 2016, 10:12 AM
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Sarastro's compelling post points out there are two sides to every story - tourists wanting cheaper accommodations - affordable for some vs hotels and locals bothered by the visitors who seem to not act like normal residents coming and going - it is this part that I'm not sure is the case always.
