The Impact of AirBnB in Paris

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May 21st, 2016, 11:14 PM
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The Impact of AirBnB in Paris

This is a very well-researched article, which also includes many other popular cities worldwide.

It's important to read all the information, which includes the fact that AirBnB does not "manage" their clients, does not require that the calendars be accurate, and that AirBnB takes no responsibility for clients adhering to local statutes or tax regulations.

If you click on the individual red dots, you can see how many other apartments are listed by the same "owner". Since only a property owner who lives in his apartment full-time has the right to rent it during his vacation time (a period not to exceed 4 months), it's obvious that these apartments are illegal.

http://insideairbnb.com/paris/
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May 22nd, 2016, 12:16 AM
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Nice.
It clearly shows that most of AirBnB rentals are illegal...
Quite a few 'High' occupancy... 318 days a year, this is slightly more than 4 months, isn't it ? And when you see a low occupancy of 0 nights I guess it means the calendar is not fully updated...
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May 22nd, 2016, 12:52 AM
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Yes, the article states that the company suggests that the visible calendars be kept to the legal maximum of 4 months, but that if someone inquires directly about availability, the "owner" can book many more nights beyond that.
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May 22nd, 2016, 12:59 AM
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So article says AirBnB is actually encouraging the owner to lie to the authorities and fraud.
Tss.
I'm surprised that owners would behave in a fraudulent way.
And me who thought AirBnB was a law abiding company. (or did I ?)
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May 22nd, 2016, 04:58 AM
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No surprised at all. Air BnB has made it clear with their dealings with NYC that they are continually playing fast and loose with the truth and have no respect whatever for municipal governments or local citizens and their needs.

They keep claiming they are "in negotiations" with NYC to adjust the rules so that people can do whatever they want with their apartments. This is a complete fallacy. NYC is not negotiating with them and has no intention of loosening any rules - but is intent on shutting down all of their illegal listings (and those of other companies) as quickly as possible.

This service may make sense in vacation-focused areas - but in large cities with housing shortages it is obviously antithetical to the public interest.
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May 22nd, 2016, 05:10 AM
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The maps are quite scary. It is like watching a cancer spreading.
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May 22nd, 2016, 07:22 AM
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(I don't suppose our European Fodorite friends see the same ads that I do here on fodors.com from the US, but I'm bemused by the Air B&B banner ad I see at the top of this screen...)

Thanks for posting the link to this article.
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May 22nd, 2016, 07:39 AM
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Pavot- I got an email from VRBO touting a stay at their Eiffel Tower apartment. I thought the timing was interesting given the chat on this board regarding short stay rentals.
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May 22nd, 2016, 07:51 AM
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Thank god for airbnb - a whole new type of competition for hotels and giving the budget traveler more options and making it more economic to travel in expensive places like Paris.

Call them what you want.

Love live Airbnb - the demand is high for an alternative to hotels-now if there are constant problems with neighbors or owners then airbnb should crack down.

Not saying there are not abuses but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Any airbnb clients out there to balance this broadside attack on airbnb emphasizing the negatives without stating the positive side.

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The Paris City Hall has come to terms with airbnb if not Parisians.
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May 22nd, 2016, 07:59 AM
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Thanks for posting this. I'm sure there will be those who still insist the apartment they have rented is legal despite all evidence to the contrary.
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May 22nd, 2016, 07:59 AM
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"if there are constant problems with neighbors or owners then airbnb should crack down."

You seriously think that AiBnB is going to do that? If so, I have a very nice bridge for you.

Rather than putting the needs of tourists first, how about putting the needs of residents first?
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May 22nd, 2016, 08:00 AM
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Airbnb isn't going to crack down on anyone, they don't care a whit about anything but their profit. Applauding people doing illegal things and creating unpleasant environments for their neighbors isn't very nice.

People are just selfish, that's all this gets down to, on both sides. If people want to rent their apts out, they should do it only if it is legal and only if their leases and buildings allow it. There are plenty of legal B&Bs in areas where it makes sense. Besides, the rules are pretty generous for legal rentals for someone doing it very short term.

SOmehow the world managed to travel and tourists survived before the internet and websites like Airbnb, imagine that.
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May 22nd, 2016, 08:08 AM
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The Paris City Hall has come to terms with airbnb if not Parisians.

Absolute nonsense.

The only talks between city hall and airbnb was how much money airbnb was going to pay the city for not collecting the and forwarding the taxe de séjour which airbnb is now doing.

Other than that, there is currently legislation being written which would require airbnb, and others like them, to only list legal apartments on their websites. The legislation will hold
not only apartment owners legally accountable for what they offer to the public but the listing agents as well.
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May 22nd, 2016, 08:44 AM
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Haven't you all beat this horse to death?

Eiffel Tower apartment, heard about that on NPR yesterday.

Pavot, I have a big flipkey ad.
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May 22nd, 2016, 08:49 AM
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https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/we...e17951d2c62172

Murray Cox wants a donation for providing us with this info.

I personally don't like airbnb. Communication is bad and don't like the upfront payment that they do. My niece used them all through Italy though and loved every place she rented. Amalfi coast was excellent with views and a terrace that were beautiful. They had a car and needed parking so getting both was a bonus.
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May 22nd, 2016, 09:23 AM
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>>Call them what you want.<<

Will do -- Greedy bastards . . .
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May 22nd, 2016, 09:27 AM
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We have loved airbnb in the past, but owners have been getting greedy with added on cleaning and other fees....so that the total more often ends up being no bargain. Will still use for charm or special position... But overall am less interested.

When airbnb starts to crack down more on non-tenants renting g out rooms (when they are forced to) ...the neighbor problems will work out. Neighbors can much more effectively complain if it's a neighbor, vs a landlord or owner far away.

Agree...don't throw the baby out...and this model is still in its infancy.
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May 22nd, 2016, 10:02 AM
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I have googled Murray and he is very political on what his motive is. Low income housing for people that can't afford an apartment or housing in Paris or NYC. Non-white people to be more precise. Do you really think people that own these million dollar apartments are going to rent to low income people that can't afford to pay their mortgage on said property? They might rent them for a three thousand a month but will put those people out of the market even with airbnb gone.
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May 22nd, 2016, 10:21 AM
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this model is still in its infancy.

The idea of staying in someone´s extra room while vacationing has been going on in Europe for decades. The French call it chambre d´hôte and the registries have been available years before the internet was born.

Websites such as these were around long before airbnb ever started and I´m not sure that I would call it an idea in its infancy:

http://www.fleursdesoleil.fr/
http://www.cheznous.com/
http://www.gites-de-france.fr/
http://www.maisonsdhotesdefrance.fr/
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May 22nd, 2016, 10:39 AM
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It is not AirBnB's job - nor VRBO, HomeAway, FlipKey or any other agency's job - to crack down on people who rent the apartments they list. What these agencies are doing is perfectly legal, as long as they pay the appropriate fees and taxes to the city. Other than that, they are free to collect as much money as they want in the form of paid listings and rental fees passed on to the owners.

It is the owner's responsibility to adhere to the regulations of the building's resident's association. The fact that a large number of property owners do not live in their apartments or even in the same country, and are either not aware of the rules or do not care about them, makes it difficult for the building's governing board to enforce the rules.

Many of the more popular rental agencies are also in the business of selling real estate. The goal is to sell "a dream pied-a-terre", without necessarily going into the serious details of what it means to own an apartment in a "co-propriete".
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