Search

Smart casual?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 1st, 2004 | 08:08 PM
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Smart casual?

I know this is a simple minded question, but after reading the guide books for London, I still do not know what "smart,casual dress" means in London. Obviously in the US that means one thing in NYC and another in Dallas. Somebody explain to this ignorant person please.
msdnjn is offline  
Old Jan 1st, 2004 | 08:30 PM
  #2  
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 24,359
Likes: 0
"Smart casual dress" comes under the same heading as a term once used by a Swiss guide: "elegant California casual." As you so rightly point out, that means very different things to different people, and it's not at all a simple-minded question.

London is a major world capital, and dress is accordingly sophisticated. You clearly want to dress appropriately and blend in. So--British women wear tailored dresses more than pants most of the time, or skirts and sweaters. Pastels and plaids are not uncommon, and color in general is seen more than the black of Paris and New York. If your wardrobe is short ondresses, you might think about picking up a delectable outfit at Liberty in one of the glorious prints for which the firm is world famous. A tailored pantsuit can work nicely too, and you will certainly want one dressy outfit for the theater. Err on the side of conservatism and you will feel well dressed in London.
Underhill is offline  
Old Jan 1st, 2004 | 08:38 PM
  #3  
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,501
Likes: 0
Hi Msdnjn,

Underhill has provided the answer for a woman, but I don't know if you're a man or a woman. Anyway, even if you're a woman, it might not do any harm to go through this exercise for a man as well.

Let's suppose a man wants to be admitted to a golf club or similar establishment for lunch. I would recommend leather or suede lace-up shoes (no runners, or trainers in British English, no sandals). Yes to khaki cotton pants, e.g., Dockers, and no to jeans. Yes to a shirt with a collar, no to a T-shirt. Yes to a blazer or sports coat.

In the evening I would suggest dressing up even a little more. Instead of khaki cotton pants, wear tailored wool pants or similar. I would consider a cravat or ascot to be optional (that's a thing that's worn around the neck that's more casual than a tie).

Oh, I nearly forgot, no head covering indoors (no cowboy hats, unlike certain cities that will go unnamed ).

I'm middle aged, and have absolutely no idea what smart casual dress means in the context of a Hip Hop Club or something like that.
Judy_in_Calgary is offline  
Old Jan 1st, 2004 | 11:54 PM
  #4  
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
For men:think Hugh Grant
For women:think Patsy from "Ab Fab"..(lol)
smart casual for all is usually clothing made of wool/cotton/cashmere/silk/linen ...no polyester. Always leather shoes,be them laceups, high heels, mules, boots..make sure the heels of your shoes are perfect...one judges a person from their shoes (seriously!)
kimerley is offline  
Old Jan 2nd, 2004 | 12:35 AM
  #5  
Sylvia
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Kimerley, we are obviously shoe soul mates.
I always notice shoes and it's a detail many people forget. I can remember being in a restaurant and noticing a couple of very well dressed women. My glance went down to their shoes and they were wearing high heels with the leather pushed back into little rolls. To me they were no longer well dressed.
It can happen in people being interviewed for jobs, smart suit but unpolished shoes. I would always be impressed by a pair of beautifully polished shoes even if they were old shoes.
Smart casual is quite a difficult one. I'd think that a dress and jacket was smart rather than smart casual.
I went to a couple of concerts when I was in London. One was in the Wigmore Hall, quite a formal sort of concert hall: I wore a dress, jacket and high heels for that one. The other was in Saint Martin in the Fields, far less formal. I wore a pair of lightweight trousers and cotton blouse to that one.
I was amused about the hats indoors thing. Quite often in TV "historic" dramas, you'll see a man wearing his hat indoors. I'm in my sixties and in my youth, my brother and other little boys were always told that you took off your cap when going into a building and you took it off when talking to a lady.
Times have certainly changed!
 
Old Jan 2nd, 2004 | 01:19 PM
  #6  
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
Hi Sylvia, good to find another "sole" mate!
About 5 years ago in London, there was an unwritten rule that "suits" did not gain entry into the smarter clubs.Something about them being uncouth..
My brother and I were allowed entry into the Met bar in Jeans, shirt and of course high quality leather boots! The people behind us who were dressed quite formally were not allowed in...
kimerley is offline  
Old Jan 2nd, 2004 | 01:25 PM
  #7  
ira
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,699
Likes: 0
Along those lines, I have found that dressinglike a slob and wearing boat shoes, in areas where boats are important, gets you a table anywhere.

After all, you might own that huge boat out there.
ira is offline  
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 04:18 AM
  #8  
20 Anniversary
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,268
Likes: 0
Interesting (to a defiantly unhip 55-year old male). To me, "smart casual" means not necessarily a jacket or a tie, probably not jeans, certainly not trainers or sportswear - and whatever you wear clean, pressed/polished (as appropriate).
PatrickLondon is offline  
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 04:40 AM
  #9  
Degas
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Men's Smart & Casual: hemmed bluejean shorts (no holes in rear), hemmed black muscle T-Shirt, wide Rhinestone studded black belt with American Flag buckle, mid-calf off-white socks with non-logo white tennis shoes, and extra gel for slicked back hair with just a scant overlay of holding spray.

Note: In Paris, tie small, but very colorful tablecloth around your neck with a snug french twist knot.
 
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 04:51 AM
  #10  
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,749
Likes: 0
Oh, Degas, you trend-setter, you.

Kimerley, "no polyester". Does that mean I have to leave my wonderful Bill Blass microfiber dress slacks at home? The ones that travel like magic?
Patrick is offline  
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 05:13 AM
  #11  
ChatNoir
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Degas, I heard your lime green leisure suit with a thin white belt and white sandals also caused quite a stir in the south of France. Adding a wide brimmed "Planters" hat and a ruffled, blood red "pirate shirt" was very innovative!
 
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 05:20 AM
  #12  
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,738
Likes: 0
Then according to the ever spiffy Degas, I can wear my new baby blue velour Juicy Couture jogging outfit? It matches?? I will wear the blue and white trainers to be co-ordinated
Scarlett is offline  
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 09:11 AM
  #13  
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 850
Likes: 0
Degas, I'm surprised that you omitted the thick gold chains in varying lengths; some with large gold charms indicating their occupation or interests. Maybe wisely so--we don't want to make them targets for pickpockets etc.
Jayne11159 is offline  
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 09:26 AM
  #14  
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,657
Likes: 0
Scarlett of COURSE you can! I wore my burgandy velour hoodie-suit all over LA. It has an initial "D" on the jacket in rhinestones. I was SO in.
uhoh_busted is offline  
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 03:36 PM
  #15  
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,738
Likes: 0
Should I get a necklaces with a Big S spelled out in diamonds LOL~
Scarlett is offline  
Old Jan 3rd, 2004 | 03:36 PM
  #16  
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,738
Likes: 0
Jeeez , that made no sense at all..an S spelled out?
Oh well, you know what I mean
Scarlett is offline  
Old Jan 4th, 2004 | 09:21 PM
  #17  
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 308
Likes: 0
Patrick, I hope that you don't wear your "Bill Blass microfibre dress slacks" with the label showing...terribly crass..
But if they really do travel like magic then the fashion police may make an exception (lol)
kimerley is offline  
Old Jan 5th, 2004 | 08:40 AM
  #18  
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Okay, I know I'm going to be yelled at, but Underhill's advice and some of the subsequent replies seem to err on the side of overly formal. I see the term "smart casual" used for places like the Dorchester bar and for theatres, but when I've been in London for the past few years, a jean skirt (NOT jeans) or black casual pants are not a bit out of place in either location. I've never worn a dress anywhere (of course I don't get invited to premieres and the like), or even a fancy skirt. Movie stars get away with wearing just about anything (even at Claridge's), so act aloof and famous if anyone looks at you askance. So much of this is in your attitude!
craycraft is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Original Poster
Forum
Replies
Last Post
maro224
Europe
4
Sep 5th, 2011 06:54 AM
jonmck
Europe
23
Apr 23rd, 2008 09:12 AM
annetti
Europe
7
Jun 19th, 2004 11:19 AM
dmkujat
Europe
20
May 15th, 2003 12:28 PM
KathrynT
Europe
14
Apr 12th, 2003 06:51 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement -