Scotland- own base?

Jul 30th, 1999, 02:37 PM
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Kittie
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Elvira,
You are a true gem! I always find your posts to be informative and amusing. I second you statement: dumping food-stuffs into any body of water today would be trouble.Benedict- Benedict Arnold was a great American patriot until very late. I guess he just change his mind.
Fiona and Catherine,
I thought that Ireland was also a part of the UK. That is my mistake and I am sorry for making it. Doesn't Ireland pay "homage" -I don't know what you call it in Ireland- to the British Monarchy/government?
I have always been told that Ireland is a wonderful country with green hills and meadows and friendly people. I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about Ireland and it's people. I do recall being taught in school about the history of Ireland- how the British came in and took over and took all the natural resources. The Potato Famine and the influx of Irish immigrants to the US (of which I am a result of).

It seemed to me that when many people asked in the United Kingdom base about visiting the United Kingdom, they stated something like "How about Edinburgh?, or "how about Skye?", or "what is there to see in Glasgow?" or "where would someone suggest I stay in the Highlands?". These are questions about Scotland.
Sara,
I am greatly discouraged that the English feel so stronly negative toward the Australians. I was taught in school that Australians are the kin to the British.
Kittie
 
Jul 30th, 1999, 02:37 PM
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Elvira,
You are a true gem! I always find your posts to be informative and amusing. I second you statement: dumping food-stuffs into any body of water today would be trouble.Benedict- Benedict Arnold was a great American patriot until very late. I guess he just change his mind.
Fiona and Catherine,
I thought that Ireland was also a part of the UK. That is my mistake and I am sorry for making it. Doesn't Ireland pay "homage" -I don't know what you call it in Ireland- to the British Monarchy/government?
I have always been told that Ireland is a wonderful country with green hills and meadows and friendly people. I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about Ireland and it's people. I do recall being taught in school about the history of Ireland- how the British came in and took over and took all the natural resources. The Potato Famine and the influx of Irish immigrants to the US (of which I am a result of).

It seemed to me that when many people asked in the United Kingdom base about visiting the United Kingdom, they stated something like "How about Edinburgh?, or "how about Skye?", or "what is there to see in Glasgow?" or "where would someone suggest I stay in the Highlands?". These are questions about Scotland.
Sara,
I am greatly discouraged that the English feel so stronly negative toward the Australians. I was taught in school that Australians are the kin to the British.
Kittie
 
Jul 31st, 1999, 01:22 AM
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Just a brief introduction to modern Irish history, Kittie.

This proud people found itself under the heel of the English, but didn't behave. (no Parcel of Rogues in a Nation there,eh?- Look it up)

Oliver Cromwell decided to sort them out and a mechanism he chose was to encourage/force thousands of Scots Protestants to cross the water and settle; which is whay you find most of the Protestants in what Elvira refers to in true republican fashion as the Six Counties (Northern Ireland is often called Ulster. Ulster as a province had 9 counties and three of them are in the South).

There follows two hundred years of mainly peaceful co-existence (Did I mention the Battle of the Boyne? or the Derry apprentices? No, What a shame)until the middle of the last century when the Irish rashly decided that they wanted their independence.

Then we had a few decades of politics and skirmishing, leading up to things like the 1916 Easter Rising, followed by a political decision to divide Ireland and give what was then Eire its independence in 1921 (I think) That divided Ulster, to ensure an inbuilt Protestant majority in the North.

More skirmishing till the late 1960s, when the downtrodden Papes in the north decided enough was enough and started asking for things like equal traetment under the law. The authorities found this so frightening they shot a whole bunch of ordinary peple on Bloody Sunday ( Actually, whilst a fresh inquiry into what happened is about to start, it's quite likle that the trooops, who were mostly Protestant were just frightened out of their wits, and panicked)

Then we had almost 30 years of serious war between left wing control freak Catholics, calling themselves the Provisional IRA, funded mainly out of America and gangsterism in Northern Ireland; and right wing Unionist protestants, funded mainly out of America and gangsterism in Northern Ireland.

Things were getting a bit better after years of appalling atrocities, until this summer when it's all got stuck again.

There are no blacks and whites. The Catholic cause is probably more just than the Proddy one but they have been more bloody and horrible. I could no more shake hands with the spokesmen for Sinn Fein than fly in the air.

So, who knows. maybe George Mitchell can play honest broker again. Everyone here and in Northern Ireland hopes so.
 
Aug 1st, 1999, 04:34 PM
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All,
I feel sorry for the people of Northern Ireland having to put up with all that stuff. In my mind, it seems like someone is making alot of money selling weapons/explosives there. They may lose some money if the whole conflict ends. A reason to keep the whole thing going- maybe.
A note: For years I had seen reports on the news about the troubles in Northern Ireland. They delt with specific occurrances, but not the conflict as a whole entity. Believe it or not, the whole thing didn't come together for me until I read a history of Ireland in my AAA book (American Automoble Assoc.). It surprises me that the AAA would go so much into the conflict and put down the British government like they did.
Kittie
 
Aug 1st, 1999, 04:37 PM
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An update:
I'm still going to email Fodor's and (of course <g>) let them decide.If the traffic warrents it, maybe we will see a separate base.
Case closed.
 

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