Go Back  Fodor's Travel Talk Forums > Destinations > Europe
Reload this Page >

Russian Trains-Tragic Bombing and Recommendation

Russian Trains-Tragic Bombing and Recommendation

Nov 28th, 2009, 09:24 AM
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 478
Russian Trains-Tragic Bombing and Recommendation

Greetings,

There was a bombing yesterday on the Moscow-St Petersburg train (the 'fast' daytime train, roughly equivalent to the Acela between New York and Washington). At least 25 people lost their lives.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/wo...a.html?_r=1&hp

At this point we are recommending to our clients that they NOT take the train (either the daytime train or the overnight, known as Red Arrow and similiar names, that depart at approximately midnight from Moscow and St Petersburg and arrive in the morning at their destination). Despite other concerns, we are encouraging our clients to book on the flights between the two cities.

I have a great deal of experience personally in taking both trains and planes throughout Russia; I live in Moscow part time, and have traveled there regularly for the past 10 years as well as work with hundreds of people visiting each year, and it pains me to recommend this. Until we see improvements in the security systems, though, we believe that the planes are safer than trains in Russia.

Marc David Miller
Marc_David_Miller is offline  
Dec 26th, 2009, 11:22 AM
  #2  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 122
Are you still recommending that people not take the trains?
Anonymous123 is offline  
Dec 26th, 2009, 11:52 AM
  #3  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 19,881
Perhaps he's now recommending that people don't fly from AMS
alanRow is offline  
Dec 26th, 2009, 04:08 PM
  #4  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 478
Since security has not been tightened on the tracks, and based on comments from security experts, I am still recommending that people fly between Russian cities.

I truly do not understand alanRow's comment.
Marc_David_Miller is offline  
Dec 26th, 2009, 08:01 PM
  #5  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,786
I assume it's a reference to the attempt to blow up the airliner. I believe the flight originated at Schiphol (AMS).
persimmondeb is offline  
Dec 27th, 2009, 07:07 AM
  #6  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 478
alanRow's remark was inappropriate; people have to make choices in their lives, and sarcasm under such circumstances is in poor taste.

I pray that no one on the Fodors' forums ever has to comfort two parents who have to bury their only child because of a terrorist attack on a train in Russia, or on an airplane, in building, or anything else of the sort.
Marc_David_Miller is offline  
Jan 18th, 2010, 08:47 AM
  #7  
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 8
We are looking at travelling by train next month. Are you still recommending people to fly instead of going by train? And does your recommendation only go for the Moscow-Saint Pete line, og does it go for all train travel in Russia? Cheers!
Westcoast8 is offline  
Feb 6th, 2010, 07:34 AM
  #8  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 478
Despite opening myself up for sarcasm, I would still recommend flying over a train. There was an apparent bombing on Tuesday, February 2:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/wo...-brfs-002.html

My recommendation applies for all of Russia; however, there are some routes where it is easier to take the train rather than fly. For clients we would explore what options they have, and let them decide. By and large, trains are running without problems, but there are issues of potentially putting oneself in harms way when there are clear alternatives.
Marc_David_Miller is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Original Poster
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Pegontheroad
Europe
5
May 10th, 2015 02:45 PM
bruse
Europe
6
Feb 9th, 2008 09:58 AM
Marc_David_Miller
Europe
4
Aug 14th, 2007 03:52 PM
Dianedancer
Europe
6
Jun 13th, 2005 06:09 PM
Subway_Scoundrel
Europe
5
Feb 10th, 2005 05:41 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy -

FODOR'S VIDEO

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:24 PM.