Non Smoking Europe?...opinions, pls

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Oct 6th, 2002, 06:06 AM

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Here we go again: Cigarette consumption per adult, annual average 1992-2000: Norway 763 Sweden 1060 Finland 1222 Austria 1709 France 1772 UK 1790 Germany 1803 Belgium 1910 Italy 1960 Denmark 1963 Iceland 2035 Portugal 2071 USA 2193 Ireland 2246 Netherlands 2377 Spain 2572 Switzerland 2871 Greece 3571

Oct 6th, 2002, 11:13 AM

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Oct 8th, 2002, 03:47 AM

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GM I don't think you will have as many problems with smoking in London as some of the other cities. There *are* some smoke free restaurants! I found this list in the book copy of www.squaremeal.com and have typed it up for you - so, I hope you are not a troll

You should be able to use the website to search for further information on the restaurants. I can't say I've ever had a problem with smoke in any fair sized restaurant in London. The smoking sections are getting smaller and are usually over the back of the restaurant or in a corner (or next to the bar). If you ask for non-smoking - and state you would like to be as far away from the smoking section as possible - most restaurants will accomodate you (although you might have to wait a while for a table). Hope thats of help to you! Karen

Oct 8th, 2002, 03:48 AM

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No Smoking Throughout Books for Cooks Busaba Eathai Cafe Bagatelle Cafe Level @ Tate Modern The Cafe @ Sotheby's Crivelli's Garden Flaneur Food Hall & Restaurant Giraffe (W1, NW3) Itsu (SW3, W1) K-10 Kulu Kulu Sushi Masala Zone Mju Moshi Moshi Sushi (EC2, EC4, E14) No 6 George Street Paul The Place Below The Portrait Providores Quiet Revolution Rainforest Cafe Rasa Travancore Riba Cafe Rules Satsuma Searcy's at the Royal Opera House Talad Thai Villandry Wagamama (all branches) Yo! Sushi (all branches) I'd also add most Pret a Manger sandwich bars to that list. I'm sure they are non-smoking!

Oct 8th, 2002, 03:55 AM

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I have found that I am allergic to people pissing in my ear.I have been told that this happens a lot.It is against my religion to wear earplugs. How can I prevent this urinary hassle?

Oct 8th, 2002, 08:28 AM

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I dont believe that list whatsoever. I live in Italy and the Italians smoke by far more cigarettes than Americans. Far far more.

Oct 8th, 2002, 09:25 AM

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It seems that "smoke allergy" is to the Americans what "crise de foie" is to the French: a kind of strange, purely national ailment, very vaguely medical, but that actually speaks volumes about each country's paranoias. The French love to eat and are paralysed at the idea of having to give up such a habit for a few days because they have overdone it a bit during Reveillon; the Americans always have to target a kind of "axis of evil" of sins, because pleasure is evil (yes, people who smoke do it out of pleasure ! ). For some reason, tobacco is getting it, while heavy drinking and junk food/obesity seem to get away with it. I suppose it's part of some huge national psychotherapy.

Oct 8th, 2002, 09:45 AM

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Dear Why, For the past several years in the United States, being "politically correct" is very important to many people who seem to have little else to do. For these several years, the target of their rage (and sudden phobias, allergies, etc.) has been cigarette smoking and associated smoke. Lately, it appears the next target is fast food and it's "unhealthy" side effects (fat assses and high cholesterol). Like smoking, people have been forced to eat this food with the resulting grave consequences. In the United States, people are so brainwashed that they cannot think for themselves. We must have Politically Correct Watch Dog groups looking out for our every need. Of course most of the so called "activists" are a bunch of broad butts driving huge gas guzzling and poluting SUVs. That doesn't count because it is not on their "agenda". So goes life in the United States. HHH

Oct 8th, 2002, 09:46 AM

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That list can be affected by illegal imports/experts of tobacco and population counts. I think it came from the WHO as they are the main body who measures that kind of thing internationally. It isn't really a direct measure of consumption, but is the number of cigarattes manufactured and imported, minus exported, divided by the adult population. I don't believe some of the numbers reflect general behavior very well, either, but don't really know what might affect those numbers for Italy -- if a lot of their cigarettes were imported "under the table", that would do it, plus the US might have a larger uncountable adult population (illegal aliens, homeless, etc.). There are other measures of smoking that show Italy higher than the US as percentage of adults who smoke, conducted by various health institutes. Some Italian statistical institue (I forget name of now) reports that 33% of Italian adult men (aged 14+) smoke whereas the US CDC has surveys that estimate 28% of adult men (aged 18+) smoke. That's a higher percentage right there, but because Italy measures from age 14 and the US age 18, that probably means it is even higher for Italian men over the age of 18, for example. Also, those numbers show US higher than France, whereas other survey data shows 39% of French men over the age of 18 smoke (vs the 28% American). I think some of those kinds of stats based on production divided by local population do not provide the best picture. If the US were illegally exporting a lot of cigarettes, that might also have increased the US number (they wouldn't have been subtracted correctly).

Oct 8th, 2002, 11:14 AM

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I am allergic to big fat people...if I even see one I begin to sneeze and cough. Where can I go so that I will not be near any big fat people?

Oct 8th, 2002, 11:25 AM

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You may be able to find non-smoking hotel rooms, but besides that people DO smoke everywhere. In Switzerland I've seen this in line at the bank, in the NON-smoking car of the train, the chef WHILE preparing our meal in an open kitchen. In Amsterdam while riding bicycles down the street. I have not traveled in Ireland or Scotland so maybe it will be different (in your favor).

Oct 8th, 2002, 11:29 AM

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Folks, I really didn't mean to have anyone be offended by my post and question. I was just wondering, for myself, because my hubby and I love to travel but have to be very careful due to what happens. I agree with some who noted about air pollution, irritants, and other factors that can cause problems. My mother just had an operation for removal of a Carcinoid with the middle lobe of her right lung, and she never smoked in her life and never even tried it once. She just came home from the hospital today and is recovering and will be OK, and the Drs. all advised that there's so many factors that can cause this besides smoking/2nd hand smoke; i.e., environment, etc. My intent was NOT to flame anyone else; I didn't appreciate being flamed or being put down, I was not whining or complaining, and as I stated before, I was not criticizing any others that smoked. I was not trying to be PC or anything else, I just know what happens to me physically. Thanks VERY MUCH to George and Karen who advised alternative lodging and other info to assist. That's really what I need and was looking for. I usually post on the Caribbean bb, and try to help folks with input/support when I can. That's what I appreciate about the boards and know for the most part, most of the folks that post here want to do that also.