dln: You're on the right track asking that question. The answer is BOTH (double meaning, either correct).

Marilyn: Of course I'm sure it's 5 letters. I counted on my fingers and used up one whole hand and no more. But the official clue is for the 5-letter name. (You may have been distracted by the reply/additional clue I gave to Steve, who I believe knows the answer.)

P.S. This wine merchant is no longer alive.

Corse? Ibeza?

cmt, I figured you could count to 5. It was the 11 I wasn't sure about.

P.S. I'm going to get off the computer soon and may not be back for a long time. If anyone wants to give up and not guess any more, but be the guardian of the answer so you can tell when someone finally gets it, you can e-mail me.

P.P.S Another clue: On the other crossword thread almost all the clues were France-related. This one is not France.

cmt, wait a minute, wait a minute!! I'll be the guardian of the answer! But HOW do I email you? Or just e it to me at [email protected]

And the answer issssssssssss:

MOYTA (Mozia in Italian)a tiny island only 2.5km in circumference down the coast from Trapani. It was bought in the late 19th century by the scion of the marsala wine dynasty Joseph Whitaker a/k/a "Pip" who promptly set about digging up the whole island looking for Phoenician artifacts. Moyta is the archeological site while San Pantaleo is what this glob of the Stagnone Islands is called: the place names are interchangeable.

Right!!!! It is Motya(I know you just made a typo) or Mozia. (I knew you'd know this. I knew Steve would, too, but he didn't come back.)

Sicula: You make up the next clue. The answer needs to be travel-related in some way. You tell how many letters the word/name has and give clues to help us guess. Then you need to check back now and then to tell people whether their guesses are correct.

Wow, I was never even close. I was looking at island information all morning. Well, until I was sidetracked by reading about Phoenician colonization and atlantic crossings and such. Learned a lot, but not the answer!

right Clifton, even if I don't guess, I pick up odd pieces of imformation.

P.S. Sicula, I forgot to tell you that the word you make up has to include one of the letters in Mozia or Motya (you can decide which spelling we are using) and you tell us which letter, and where it is, numerically, in the word you are making us guess. (Many examples of the procedure in the original thread: http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...p;tid=34435071 )

P.P.S. Sicula, if you do not want to play, please say so here, and then dln can decide whether she'd prefer to post her new clear on this thread instead of on the old thread, where she was the last person to guess correctly last night.

Man, I would NEVER have gotten that! Maybe I'll do better on the next one.

Next clue is so easy you won't need me to confirm the answer! Using the Y, a place in England that was the birthplace of a beautiful English woman who was beloved of a certain king. Extra clue--this woman has a town in Texas named after her. Six letters, ends in Y.

Lili Langtry...Jersey ??

Nah...there's no Jersy in Texas now that I think of it! IS THERE???

Whoops again...I thought the town was in TX not the lady! So I'm right, right?

OK Jody, your turn.

Smiley, texas

Oh Good!

The street in London where medival and Elizabethans went to market 9 letters,, the 3rd letter is an E

Cheapside?