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LuluG - please REPOST about "fun" restaurants in the 6th

May 26th, 2005, 06:55 AM
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Yeah...Travelnut...it IS amazing. I really wanted to say,"See you at the hotel." But, I thought I'd just grin and bear it. Like I said earlier the friends with me were TOTALLY inexperienced in this area. Two had been(once) on one of those,"If it's Tuesday,it must be Belgium", type of worldwind European tours a couple of years prior to our trip so they didn't have to plan anything on their own...just jump on and off a tour bus, basically. Then it was the other friend's first trip overseas. I've been traveling around the world basically alone since I was 17 and I'm in my late 40s.I take 1-3 overseas vacations a year. I've been on all of the continents...except Antartica...so I'm used to having to plan all of my trips/journeys/adventures myself and especially since I travel WITHOUT tours. And being female, I have to plan differently than males would. So,I'm not a novice at this.But, some folks just won't listen and have to learn from their mistakes...which is fine...,but not on my precious vacation time!And trust me, there were quite a few mistakes on that trip. Happy Travels!
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May 26th, 2005, 07:20 AM
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I didn't read everyone's responses above so this might be mentioned already...if you look at your old post, and click to post a response, you have to SCROLL TO THE RIGHT and you'll see the response box. It is because of the long URL but it is there!!!
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May 26th, 2005, 01:58 PM
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My gosh, Guenmai, I can't possibly thank you enough for your SUPER helpful posts!! I'm grabbing every single one & copying them down.

I was just thinking last night, running some loose itineraries through my mind for each day in Paris. On 1 of the days (not sure which 1 yet, b/c it hasn't been finalized), we're hiring tourguide Michael Osman to show us around. Don't know if you're familiar w/him, but he gets top recommendations here on fodors. Been in touch w/him 1x, but it's not been finalized, so maybe I should have a backup plan just in case.
:-?

For a better sense of who's going: Husband & I, in our mid 40s, living in Los Angeles. Mother, in her mid 60s, from LA too. Nephews, ages 20+15, living in Hawaii. Leaving October 1st, arriving October 2nd at around 11am into Paris.

We'll all be exhausted but excited from the journey there, but I was thinking that on that 1st day we'd just stroll around the area to get the feel. Any ideas in which direction to head, maybe possibly heading to a nice/famous/classic? outdoor cafe to sit & people watch for lunch?
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But your help with the City's metro & bus from the hotel to some of the Parisian sights would be absolutely Fantastic, Guenmai!!

I have no doubt that I'll be back to Paris after this 3-day "nibble"! From Paris, the family will be going on to Italy (3n Positano, 3n Roma, 2n Firenze, 4n Tuscany, 3n Venezia), then home on the 20th. It's going to be an Awesome experience for everyone, especially for those who've not had the precious opportunity to see some of the rest of this Amazing world of ours yet!

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May 27th, 2005, 07:57 AM
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Please do not try to take your family on the RER from CDG. It is wellworth the price of A taxi. In spite of guenmai's reassurances that she took a true Paris taxi--one marked Taxi Parisienne--there is no way it would cost $93. A taxi for 5 will be in the neighborhood of 50€, including luggage, extra person and tip. Just go to the regular taxi queue and let the taxi "master" find you a van sufficient for your party. Do not take a cab from anyone who approaches you in the terminal--they will overcharge.
The RER can be very difficult to negotiate with luggage, long correspondances and stairs. And I have done it personally.
I am glad you have contacted Michael. It will be the best spent money of your trip.
I might suggest a different place than Nos Ancestres for your first night. We usually just find a neighborhood cafe where we can eat fairly early without a lot of ceremony and get to bed so the next day we are pretty ready to go.
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May 27th, 2005, 09:58 AM
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Le Clement is right in the thick of things, so you can't go too far wrong on deciding where to walk around the first day. Probably head east and/or north to the Seine and towards Latin Qtr/Notre Dame area.

I think it is possible but unlikely a taxi could cost $93, but that is a pretty specific odd number (and in USD), so I wonder what the fare really was. Maybe it was just someone cheating them. Guenmai certainly knows the area, but that would be about a 70 euro taxi fare, probably. Maybe that is an incorrection conversion of euro to USD? It could certainly cost that for unusual delays, but she said it was Sunday and traffic was light and mentioned nothing unusual. In my experience, that has never happened and I take a cab a lot to/from Montparnasse which is a lot farther, and the fare has never been over 50 euro (including my tip). I also take cabs on Sunday (and I might add, fares are higher on Sunday, which I don't think some people realize) and I still have never had a fare over 50 euro. Being on Sunday does raise the fare per km quite a bit within the city (about 20% outside the peripherique), but it still doesn't raise the overall fare from the airport as much as you'd think as the cost per waiting time minute doesn't change on Sundays, and that is about 2/3 of the fare.

However, while 50 euro is possible (except maybe on Sunday), assuming a max of 50 euro could be a little unrealistic for five people -- the extra people will add about 5 euro in supplements, and the baggage about one euro per bag. That's probably about 10 euro right there, no tip, and it is very possible the base fare would be over 40 euro.


Some people just prefer the public transportation thing, so if you really want to and everyone agrees to that, you'll find out what it's like and you could take a cab back upon departure if you want. People have various ideas of where to save a few euro and what they are willing to do for that.

BTW Lulu, don't think anyone answered your question << "raclette" sounds Yummie! Is it pronounced rak-lay, accent on the 2nd?>>
no, it's not pronounced that way (the ending -ette would never be pronounced that way in French, the t is pronounced, not silent). It is pronounced pretty much exactly the way you'd expect from the spelling if it were an English word. A "raclée" would be pronounced the way you suggested, but that's something you don't want to ask for (it's a beating).
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May 27th, 2005, 03:35 PM
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Gretchen & Christina, thanx for all your advice re taking a taxi. Looking forward to using public trans in Paris, but it's probably not the wisest idea to start just then: when the family hits ground in Paris for the very 1st time.


So we'll go to some cute local spot on our 1st night instead, hold off on Nos Ancestres & kinda take it EZ on that 1st night. Nos Ancestres sounds like it'll be alot of fun!

Christina, thanks for helping me with "raclette" - does sound yummie, and much better when it's said correctly, eh?
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May 29th, 2005, 06:31 PM
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LULU...I'll write you up some intineries next week.I'm always on a borrowed computer. I don't own one so I have to write whenever I can...in little spurts. As for the taxi situation and how much I paid, well, I won't even go into that. I know how much it cost no matter what other posters have implied.But,your family will have to decide whether or not to taxi or not. The route I have given you on the RER is very easy.I don't know if the other posters were going specificially to the Hotel le Clement or not. Anyhow, I'll write more after the holiday.As for the guide you have hired, I personally don't know of him as I have always just done Paris with a tour guide book. Got to go. Happy Travels!
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May 31st, 2005, 07:12 AM
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OK...Itinerery #1- After walking out of the hotel,go RIGHT and then walk down to the rue Mabillon and then turn LEFT onto the rue Mabillon and walk out the rue Mabillon (South) until you come to rue St. Suplice and then turn RIGHT. walk out the rue St. Suplice until you come to the bus stop...which will be on the same side of the street that you are on.It'll take about 5 minutes from the hotel. Then get on bus #63 and ride until you get to Trocadero...a very nice and scenic ride...about 20 minutes. Then get off at Trocadero and cross the street. You will now be at the Palais de Chaillot. Here you will have an incredible view of the Eiffel Tower. After you finish taking in the incredible view, then go back up to the street and go down into the metro(subway station) that's called Trocadero and get on line 6...Direction Charles de Gaulle Etoile...and get off at the last stop which will be Charles de Gaulle-Etoile. Now you are at the Arch of Triomphe. Tour the Arch of Triomphe. You will now be at the TOP end of the Champs Elysee...Walk down the Champs Elysee...much easier than walking up...that's why I'm sending you in this direction...with parents and all...trying to save your legs,too... So take in the atmosphere on the Chams Elysee and then when you get to Metro George V (5th) go down into the metro station and get into the metro...this will be line #1. Get on the metro here...follow the sign that says... Direction Chateau de Vincennes...get on the metro train here and then get off at Concorde. It will be the third stop...about 7 minutes. Now you are at the beautiful Place de la Concorde. You will be on the street called rue Rivoli. Walk out the rue Rivoli...and you'll come to rue Cambon where you can make a LEFT and walk up a few blocks and there will be the original Chanel store...if you want to check out Chanel. After you finsh at Chanel...walk out of the door of Chanel and turn RIGHT and walk back down(south) the rue Cambon until you come to rue St.Honore and then turn left and walk out(east) rue St.Honore until you get to rue Castiglione and then turn LEFT and you will enter the Place Vendome where the Ritz Hotel is. This Place(Square) is very beautiful. Now that you have finished that...walk back down(south) the rue Castiglione back to the rue Rivoli and then turn LEFT(east) at the rue Rivoli and walk along the rue Rivoli...don't exchange money here...it can be a real rip off. Keep walking along the rue Rivoli until you come to Pt.and Place du Carrousel(sp?)...now turn RIGHT and you will be at the Louvre Museum..You'll see I.M.Pei's glass pyramid that you enter in order to get into the Louvre...Mona Lisa is in the Denon wing of the museum. If you don't want to do the Louvre at this time then just get on bus #95. The bus stop is directly across the street from the pyramid at the Louvre...on the same street you just made a right onto...Get on bus #95 which will say Montparnasse(the end of the line will be the Montparnasse train station...don't go that far... get off when you get back to the 6th district which is your hotel district. The bus will drive up rue de St.Peres and then when it gets back to Blvd. St. Germain it will make a left turn. Now you are entering your area. You'll pass Cafe Flore and Cafe Deux Magots...get off when you see Armani which is right across from Cafe Deux Magots. You'll recognize the area now.You'll also see Louis Vuitton and the church of St. Germain. You will be on the rue de Rennes...the corner that Armani is on. OK...Hope this has helped. I've got to go for now, but will continue later. Happy Travels!
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May 31st, 2005, 09:49 AM
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OK...to continue...excuse my spelling above...but I'm muti-tasking big time right now. Anyhow, about the above itinerary...I forgot one little thing. When you get to Concorde...the first thing you should do is walk up the rue Royale...it will be about one street to the west of Concorde. When you walk up the rue Royale, you'll see the church of Madeleine straight ahead of you. walk to the RIGHT of the church(there's a tourist/map information booth). Continue walking and to your right you will see the famous Fauchon...gourmet market. Look at the gorgoeus food(an art form) in the windows. People stand there and stare. Go inside and look around. When you finish in this area, then walk back down the rue Royale to rue Rivoli...at this point the street might have a different name, but it's the same main street... and turn LEFT and then walk out the rue Rivoli and pick up the above itinerary...from Concorde... from my previous post. Now...Itinerary #2. If you want to go from the hotel to the Luovre museum...after exiting the hotel go left...and walk to the end of the street and turn LEFT on rue de Seine and walk up to Blvd. St. Germaine and CROSS the Blvd and then turn LEFT and walk along Blvd.ST Germain until you get the the church. At the corner of the church and rue Bonaparte turn RIGHT and there will be a bus stop directly in front of the church. Get on bus #95 and take it directly to the Louvre. You will see the glass pyramid at the Louvre. The bus stops directly in front of the entrance. The bus will take about 15 minutes. After the Louvre get back on the same bus...going in the same direction and take it to the Opera bus stop. Here you have the old opera house...the one of Phantom of the Opera. To the left of the Opera house will be the American Express office if you need to exchange money...down in the basement...excellent rates. Behind the opera house, you will find the big department stores of Galeries Layfayette and Printemps...also if you walk OUT of the American Express office and turn LEFT and walk up rue Scribe...right at the corner...on the same side of the street that you will be walking up...you'll find the new Galeries Layfaette home store...they also have food to go in there if you're hungry. This store opened exactly two months before I was in Paris on the 2004 trip. It's a beautiful store. Check it out. Now...if you want to go back to the hotel after doing this area, then go back to the American Express office area and look across the street...and across from the Opera house... and you'll see the British/American pharmacy. Bus #95...(Direction Montparnasse) stops right in front of the pharmacy. You'll know where to get off when you get back to your neighborhood. You'll get off again when you see Armani and Cafe Deux Magots. Got to go....to be continued...where is this guide that you're hiring going to take you? You really don't need a guide for Paris. Happy Travels!
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OK...I'm back for a while...for your next itinerary...This you can do, by foot, on arrival day...When you exit the hotel....go LEFT and walk to the end...rue de Seine...and turn Left...Walk a block and cross the Blvd. St.Germain and continue up the rue de Seine until you come to rue Buci(Paul's is on the corner). Turn RIGHT at Paul's and walk out the rue Buci which will change names to the rue St.Andres des Arts. Keep walking out rue St. Andres des Arts...about 8 minutes down the street you will notice on your right-hand side a window with a man making crepes...attached to a crepe restaurant...The crepes are REALLY good here...especially the Grand Marniere ones...yumm...yumm. Have a crepe...just order from the window while standing in the street. Now continue out the street until you come to the end where there will be a small square called St.Michel-St.Andres des Arts I think. Anyhow now you will see the big Blvd. St. Michel...go left a little ways until you are on the Blvd. St. Michel...cross the street wherever you can and when you are on the other side of the Blvd,find the rue Huchette...very near by... walk out the rue Huchette (it only goes in one direction from this point)...which is a side street that runs into Blvd. St.Michel. Walk all of these little streets which are VERY interesting. If you walk all the way to the end of rue Huchette...not far at all...then you'll end up on a bigger street...cross it...go to your left a little... and you have the beautiful little church called Jean Pauve(sp?). Walk around and check it out then walk north...towards the river and you will see Notre Dame...about a block to the river(Quai de Montebello)...cross the bridge wherever you can and go to Notre Dame. After Notre Dame then walk to the BACK area of Notre Dame and across the bridge in the back and you'll be on the I'le St. Louis...a beautiful island. After crossing the I'le St. Louis then you'll be on the rue St.Louis D'ile.(sp?). It's the main street.... walk to #32 where Bertillon is...the best ice cream/sorbet you've ever tasted. There will more than likely be a line. I think they are open on Sundays when you arrive,right? I'll try to look it up in one of my journals. When you finish, just walk in the opposite direction back across the bridge to the back of Notre Dame. Then go back up to the area along the river and walk in the direction away from Notre Dame...west... Walk back out the Quai Montebello-Quai St.Michel and then when you cross Blvd St. Michel you will be at Quai Augustin...this is the Quai that the Paradis du Fruit Restaurant is on...so you can walk out that street to see where it is. Then you can just make a left into one of the tiny streets ..like rue Grand Augustin where the restaurant is and the street will dead end into rue St. Andres des Arts(the street you got the crepe on). Then you turn RIGHT and walk out the rue St.Andres des Arts until it forks back into rue Buci and then LEFT at Pauls which will put you back on rue de Seine and you'll will know where you are from here.This might sound difficult, but trust me it's not. It's a very pleasant walk and you will really feel like you're in Paris. Tomorrow, I'll write you an itinerary to Place Vosges and the Marais area taking two buses..one to the area and another back from the area... so you'll have a nice view to and from the area. I've got to go. Happy Travels!
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Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:32 AM
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Lulu...If you want me to post the directions to the Place Vosges and the Marais...let me know, then I can post them next week. I don't know if you've already left for Paris or not so I don't want to post them if you have no need for them. Happy Travels!
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Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:33 AM
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I just reread your original post and see that you're leaving in October.Sorry I didn't notice it before. Happy Travels!
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Oh, my gosh, Guenmai ... I can't possibly thank you enough for your Wonderfully Helpful detailed directions! Boy, with directions like these, I'll feel much more relaxed and free to enjoy so much more.

One quick question ... Our flight gets into CDG at about 11am. So, by the time we all reach the hotel, it'll probably be around 1pm I'm thinking. I'd absolutely love to take the walk you've suggested for that 1st day, but am just a bit worried that we might not all have the energy after the long flight. If we were to leisurely take that stroll...stopping @the crepe stand, ending at Bertillon, (came across this cool website, by the way: http://linktrim.com/2bl) ...maybe we can just grab a cab back to the area of our hotel if someone's not quite up to the walk ...or might there even be an EZ way via the metro from there?

And yes, I'll definitely be gobbling up those directions to the Place Vosges and the Marais if you're still up to it. Once again, thank you SO MUCH, Guenmai!!


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Hi Lulu...I haven't forgotten to post your Marais directions.I wouldn't let a a fellow Angeleno go astray...smiles... It's just that I only have computer access on certain days. And I just noticed that I have left my Paris info at home...Shoot!I took it home for the weekend. But I'll post the Place Vosges info this week. Anyhow, the first-day walk I've suggested is not exhausting.Plus you'll be happy to walk after sitting on a plane for hours.You also need to stay awake until night time. So exhaust yourselves and then when you go to bed, you'll have a sound sleep and be fresh the next morning. I guess I'm just used to flying so much, for vacation, that Paris to me is like going around the corner....smiles...I'm used to being on those 18-hour flights to Southeast Asia.Oh,if you don't want to walk back from the Notre Dame area then you can always get on the Metro at the St. Michel station...line 4...and then go in Direction Porte D' Orleans and then get off at St.Germain...one stop...five minutes. Then you'll come out of the subway station on the side of the church of St.Germain on the Blvd.St. Germain. Walk out Blvd.St.Germain(east)...left if you're facing the Blvd...OPPOSITE direction from the direction that Cafe Deux Magot and the Armani store are in which would be WEST out the Blvd St.Germain. Then when you get to rue de Seine...there's a cafe on the corner... you go right and cross the Blvd...walk a block (south) and then turn right(west) and you're back at the hotel.Oh, this past weekend I was at the Homegoods store...the housewares store of T.J.Maxx... and the Paris walking map cards by Chronicle Book Company have hit the store and for only $9.99. They are great. They are cards in a box which have very clearly mapped out directions of various walking routes in Paris...a lot cheaper than hiring a guide...this whole guide thing just doesn't sit well with me since it will tie up your day and slow you down or you might just be tired and not want to be dragged all around town. Plus,you might want to move on, but the guide may want to linger. Paris is meant to be taken at one's own pace and desire...and slowly absorbed. Anyhow, try chroniclebooks.com. The company is up in San Francisco. I saw the cards when they came out in the travel stores, but didn't buy them then. I've bought a box for myself and a friend who goes to Paris about as much as I do. There are even some new routes he and I can try out.Oh, I think you asked about cafes, in an earlier post,...well, I adore the Cafe Flore on Blvd. St.Germain... just west of the church of St.Germain. I have a tradition of going there on arrival night and having a kir royale...cassis with champagne...worth EVERY expensive Euro.It's as smooth as silk. Then I give a toast to Paris and the beginning of my vacation. I've been doing this ritual for decades. Well, I've got to go for now. It's good you don't leave until October. I've got time to still write. Oh, by the way, what kinds of items do you want to buy in Paris? Do you like handbags? If so, I can send you to some good ones...Happy Travels!
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Not to belabor the point but have you thought about a car service. Thjey can meet you at the airport with a minivan, they wait outside baggage claim holding a sign with your name and usually the fare is already stated. I'm sure someone can suggest one and it will save all of you from lugging baggage up and down metro steps. I speak from experience and wish I had arranged it. When there are 5 of you the per person cost isn't so bad.
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There aren't that many metro stairs on this particular route to Hotel le Clement for those who might want to take the metro to the Hotel le Clement area.Although I'm female and late 40s,I've had no problem with the luggage and stairs on this particular. Happy Travels!
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OK...Lulu...Here are your directions to the Place Vosges and the Marais...When you exit the Hotel Clement go LEFT...and walk to rue de Seine and turn LEFT. Walk up rue de Seine until you get to Blvd St.Germain and then turn RIGHT(east). Walk out Blvd St. Germain(east) for about 2 blocks until you come to the ODEON metro(subway) stop. Bus # 86 stops right in front of the metro station...you can't miss it. Get on bus #86 and ride until you get to the bus stop called "La Cerisaie". It'll be about the 5th stop and about 20 minutes. This is a really nice route and you will go through real Paris neighborhoods. Before you get to your bus stop, you will cross a bridge and to your left you can see a nice very distant view of the Eiffel Tower. Anyhow,when you get off the bus at your stop then go LEFT. Now you will be walking up the BLVD. Henri IV. Walk for about three short blocks and you will come to a very busy boulevard. This is the Place de la Bastille(where the jail was when the French revolution started). Anyhow, now you want to walk to your LEFT. There are lots of streets that spiral around the Place de la Bastille.Keep walking to your LEFT until you come to the street that's called,"Rue St.Antoine". Go LEFT which is the only way you can go. You will now be on the SOUTH side of the street of rue St.Antoine. You want to cross over,at this point, to be on the NORTH side of the street. After you cross the street, go LEFT...the only direction you can go in to stay on this street. You will see the rue des Tournelles(to your right).It will dump into the rue St.Antoine. This is where one of the Paradis du Fruit restaurants is located if you all are hungry. Anyhow...continue walking out the rue St.Antoine...you're going west ...until you come to rue Biraque and then turn RIGHT. This street is only one short block. Now you will be entering the beautiful Place Vosges. When you get into the Place(square) then walk to your left and walk around in that direction...you'll see a very good and popular French restaurant called,"Ma Bourgogne(sp?)". When you get to the end of the square, at that point, then turn LEFT and you'll be on the rue des Francs-Bourgeois which is a lovely street. You'll notice that the rue de Turenne will cross it at this point. Keep note of this street because bus#96(Montparnasse) will stop on this street. So if you're going back to the hotel after you have explored this area then you can get on bus #96(Montparnasse) from here and it will take you back to Blvd.St.Germain area. Anyhow...walk all of the tiny streets in the Marais.You are now in the 4th district right on the border of the 3rd...which will be north of where you are... When you look at the street signs,in Paris, you will notice that there are district numbers on them. Impossible to get lost. It's an incredibly planned out city. The Picasso Museum is nearby in the 3rd district on the rue Thorigny about a block north of the rue Parc Royal. You'll have a map. Anyhow, another way to get back to the hotel is to go to the rue Parc Royal(in the 3rd) between rue Payenne and rue Sevigne...both of these streets...Payenne and Sevigne... run into the rue des Francs-Bourgeois. Rue Parc Royal runs the same direction as rue des Francs-Bourgeois...and is only one short block away. Anyhow,at this point on the rue Parc Royal, there is a bus stop. Take Bus#29 and then ride until you get to the OPERA bus stop...about 20 minutes depending on traffic.You will get off the bus at the old opera house...across from the American Express office. Get off at the bus stop called," Opera", and then across from the opera house and in front of the British/American pharmacy(in the area between the opera house and the AmExp office) will be bus#95(Montparnasse). Catch this bus to get you back to the hotel. You'll know where you are...you'll eventually pass the louvre(15 minutes) and then about 10 minutes pass that point you'll get off at Blvd.St.Germain and rue de Renne...at the Armani store. So, that's your routing. If I were you, I would go to the Picasso museum while in the Marais area and then walk back down to the rue Parc Royal and get on bus #29 until you come to the Opera bus stop and then transfer to the #95. This will give you a different view of Paris. The building right behind the Bus#29 bus stop used to be the atelier of the late(1990), famous, young Black American fashion designer named Patrick Kelly. I knew him and used to go there a lot and hang out, see the new collections, and shop. I was a friend of the woman who ran his boutique which was on the same property as his atelier. That's one reason that I know this area so well. Well, hope this has been helpful. If I think of anything else, I'll write. Happy Travels!
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