Liverpool
#21
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Liverpool is claimed to have the largest number of conservation-grade buildings in Britain after London.>
that may be so but they are scattered about so not so apparent to tourists but 'ferry cross the mersey' (Hermans Hermits ?) takes you to Birkenhead, a Merseyside suburb that pretty much was a product of the rapid industrialization of northern England in the 1800s - the town had many wealthy benefactors who built grandiose buildings, many of which remain.
Wikipedia says "William Laird, a Scot, and his son John, were influential in the design of the town. Parts were laid out in a grid-iron pattern like Edinburgh New Town with similar architecture. The chief architect was James Gillespie Graham from Edinburgh. This grid pattern was centered around Hamilton Square which was started in 1826 and, apart from Trafalgar Square in London, contains the most Grade I listed buildings in one place in England.[18] including Birkenhead Town Hall."
NOTE: contains the most Grade I listed buildings in one place in England" - so says flanner's saying Liverpool has this title is not right (suspect flanner as usual is right but not according to Wiki - perhaps flanner is including Birkenhead in his accounting - anyone take the metro or whatever conveyance - a train - under the Mersey and explore this unique town which I enjoyed very much.
that may be so but they are scattered about so not so apparent to tourists but 'ferry cross the mersey' (Hermans Hermits ?) takes you to Birkenhead, a Merseyside suburb that pretty much was a product of the rapid industrialization of northern England in the 1800s - the town had many wealthy benefactors who built grandiose buildings, many of which remain.
Wikipedia says "William Laird, a Scot, and his son John, were influential in the design of the town. Parts were laid out in a grid-iron pattern like Edinburgh New Town with similar architecture. The chief architect was James Gillespie Graham from Edinburgh. This grid pattern was centered around Hamilton Square which was started in 1826 and, apart from Trafalgar Square in London, contains the most Grade I listed buildings in one place in England.[18] including Birkenhead Town Hall."
NOTE: contains the most Grade I listed buildings in one place in England" - so says flanner's saying Liverpool has this title is not right (suspect flanner as usual is right but not according to Wiki - perhaps flanner is including Birkenhead in his accounting - anyone take the metro or whatever conveyance - a train - under the Mersey and explore this unique town which I enjoyed very much.
#23

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" 'ferry cross the mersey' (Hermans Hermits ?)"
Sorry Pal, Herman's Hermits led by Peter Noone were from a suburb of Manchester. The song to which you refer was by Gerry and the Pacemakers.
Peter Noone now lives near Santa Barbara.
Sorry Pal, Herman's Hermits led by Peter Noone were from a suburb of Manchester. The song to which you refer was by Gerry and the Pacemakers.
Peter Noone now lives near Santa Barbara.
#24
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Miss P. I can hear those leg bells getting louder as he continues digging the hole he is in.
To OP, yes, Liverpool is well worth a visit.
Have a look at http://www.visitliverpool.com/travel...st-information
For ideas
To OP, yes, Liverpool is well worth a visit.
Have a look at http://www.visitliverpool.com/travel...st-information
For ideas
#26
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With a name like mine, you know I am biased! There are two Beatles tours. One is the standard coach tour. It's about three hours and drives you past all the important Beatles sites and ends near Mathew Street so you can pop into the reincarnated Cavern Club. (You can also take this tour by taxi.) The other is the Beatles Childhood Homes, a National Trust tour that allows you inside Paul and John's homes. They have been redecorated to look as they did in the '50's, and Paul's home in particular will give you a good idea of what council housing looked like back then (if you're British, you may already know!). I always like to ride the ferry (thank you, Gerry!), wander around the Anglican, and visit the attractions on Albert Dock, such as the Beatles Story exhibit and the Maritime Museum. There has been a lot more money put into the city in recent years, and the waterfront is looking lovely.
#27
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I work for the airlines and layover a lot in Manchester. I have gone to Liverpool several times on my layovers and have thoroughly enjoyed the city. The maritime museum down on the water is very interesting and has many unusual exhibits. There are cute restaurants all around the area to enjoy the views. The Liverpool museum is also nice especially the football and pop music exhibits. The shopping area is huge and easy to walk from the train station.
Both Chester and Liverpool are great choices for a daytrip from where you are in Wales.
Both Chester and Liverpool are great choices for a daytrip from where you are in Wales.
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As ever Flanner has been on the Dulux.
Liverpool made substantial amounts of money by operating the slavery triangle of Africa/Southern America/England. Since then it has had few ideas with with to create wealth other than draining the British economy of benefits.
The areas of architectural interest do not form part of the city centre and these buildings are not high class residential but mainly flats and offices leaving it feeling without soul.
There are two places of worth to visit in Liverpool both with substantial art collections. The Walker and Port Sunlight have good collections and specialise in the Pre-Raphaelites. Other than that although it has seen some investment over past 10 years, large parts of city are still the most deprived in Europe. The city council came up with the bright idea of vacating many of the slum areas with a view to redeveloping at the height of the boom. Their timing was appalling and since 2009 little work has been competed due to a lack of funds which has left large areas of the city a waste land and virtual no go areas. Toxteth is simply the worst area I have the misfortune to visit in the world.
A best Liverpool is a straight in and out destination, to see what you plan to see.
Charleston is is not.
Liverpool made substantial amounts of money by operating the slavery triangle of Africa/Southern America/England. Since then it has had few ideas with with to create wealth other than draining the British economy of benefits.
The areas of architectural interest do not form part of the city centre and these buildings are not high class residential but mainly flats and offices leaving it feeling without soul.
There are two places of worth to visit in Liverpool both with substantial art collections. The Walker and Port Sunlight have good collections and specialise in the Pre-Raphaelites. Other than that although it has seen some investment over past 10 years, large parts of city are still the most deprived in Europe. The city council came up with the bright idea of vacating many of the slum areas with a view to redeveloping at the height of the boom. Their timing was appalling and since 2009 little work has been competed due to a lack of funds which has left large areas of the city a waste land and virtual no go areas. Toxteth is simply the worst area I have the misfortune to visit in the world.
A best Liverpool is a straight in and out destination, to see what you plan to see.
Charleston is is not.
#29

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Oh Dickie, spoken like a Manc! Remember, what Manchester does today, Liverpool will eventually try to copy. They are still trying to make a living on a 50+ year old pop group.
I have a South American friend who visits Liverpool for work. He calls certain areas of the city "favelas".
I have a South American friend who visits Liverpool for work. He calls certain areas of the city "favelas".
#30
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Scot with a Manc T shirt.
One never forgets New Order at The Hac.
We created a world industrial revolution, Liverpool created Derek Hatton and personal injury claims.
Liverpools answer to Downton Abbey.
http://youtu.be/p2inSqo3Q3c
One never forgets New Order at The Hac.
We created a world industrial revolution, Liverpool created Derek Hatton and personal injury claims.
Liverpools answer to Downton Abbey.
http://youtu.be/p2inSqo3Q3c
#32

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You're younger than me then. I remember John Lee Hooker at the original Twisted Wheel, The Hollies at the Jungfrau and Freddie and the Dreamers at the Oasis. All the Madchester stuff at the Hacienda and clubs in town that still host ground breaking music.
Liverpool had the Beatles and ...oh yeah, the Beatles.
Liverpool had the Beatles and ...oh yeah, the Beatles.
#33
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From Conwy I would travel to Liverpool by train. You will get a train to Chester approx every hour( not all of them stop at Conwy so you may need to go to Llandudno Junction about half a mile away). Change there for the Merseyrail which leaves every half hour (every 15mi s at peak period) and takes 45mins to get to Liverpool where you can get off at the most convenient of 4 stations. You can also get off at Port Sunlight (see above).
If you are feeling thoroughly rested at the end of a holiday you can have a look at both Liverpool and Chester the same day !
If you are feeling thoroughly rested at the end of a holiday you can have a look at both Liverpool and Chester the same day !
#34
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I should add that the best of Chester is strolling the Rows and the City Walls both of which you can do after museums and galleries close. You can easily leave Liverpool mid-afternoon and then spend a few lovely hours in Chester in June and still get back to Conwy before dark. By the way I saw a nice looking fish restaurant when I was in Conwy on Sunday-Chrissie's Kitchen
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