FrankS

What are you doing on a 21st century medium?

jahoulih

Watching FrankS try to discuss "the original tongues" is real entertainment. See, e.g.,

http://www.fodors.com/community/fodo...omment-7524726

et seq.

IMDonehere

Thank you Cold. It is people like FrankS who complained to the Fodor's Board monitors. People who are afraid of a different opinion.

IMDonehere

FrankS writes:

if you have questions about Sripture in the original Yiddish
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Please note that Torah, which Christians call the Old Testament, was written basically in Hebrew and Aramaic.

Yiddish is a language basically founded in 9th century German but has the elements of other languages. It sounds most like German but is written in Hebrew characters.

Your reference is completely and totally wrong and is historically and linguistically impossible. So much for knowledge of religion.

jahoulih

I think that was his bizarre idea of a joke.

FrankS

It is people like FrankS who complained to the Fodor's Board monitors. People who are afraid of a different opinion.

FrankS

I think that was his bizarre idea of a joke.

annhig

thanks, jahoulih, for posting that link.

i needed a laugh.

bilboburgler

"knowledge of religion" such a concept, I can understand knowledge of god/or not, but knowledge of religion ;-)

FrankS

Somebody around here needs knowledge, the illiterate perversion peddlers on Fodors have misquoted Voltaire on 3 seperate 'Charlie' threads so far.....1 Europe and 2 in the Lounge.


Voltaire never said 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it' but rather “Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too” This common misquote comes from a 1907 book Friends of Voltaire, by Evelyn Beatrice Hall. Hall addressed the misquote..."Saturday Review (11 May 1935), p. 13, as stating: I did not mean to imply that Voltaire used these words verbatim and should be surprised if they are found in any of his works."

kerouac

FrankS, you clearly feel strongly about this, so I suggest that you come to France and spew your Nazi propaganda in public so that you can test French laws about freedom of speech rather than just giving your abstract opinion. If you are convicted, then you will be able to grandstand at the European Court of Human Rights.

If you think that this is inappropriate, you might want to avoid this continent.

IMDonehere

The right wingers complained about my logic and facts to the board erasers on the Lounge. Oh yeah, I also had to explain my insults to them, otherwise they wouldn't have known they were being insulted.

FrankS

kerouac,
Thank you for the invitation to visit your country and break the hate speech laws, but I must decline. I really dont have any desire to, despite so many here and in France that are willing to support me if I decided to crudely insult some minority group under the guise of satire

menachem

Leaving "nazi propaganda" aside:

Laicist France outlawed the wearing of hijab in schools and universities.

Last summer it declared protests against Israel's bombing of Gaza to be illegal, because "pro-palestinian"


I think it's kind of ironic that Netanyahu and Abdallah of Jordania are attending today's rally: both have a very selective notion regarding free speech.

Obviously, speech is more free if it's directed against blacks and muslims, and less so if it addresses topical issues from a minority point of view

let's not forget it was Charlie Hebdo that chose to cover the tragedy of the schoolgirls abducted by Boko Haram with a cartoon that depicted them using the worst of racial stereotypes, crying: "don't touch my social security!"

To me it's clear where this international wringing of hands will lead: more restrictions placed on France's muslims. As if they had anything to do with this attack!

menachem

annhig: so why are sensitivities about the shoah deemed to be more important than sensitivities about crudely lampooning the prophet Mohammed?

I must also smile at the sight of Hollande heading a national rally that expresses "solidarity" and an end to communitarism. But wasn't he the architect of an action to deport a class of EU citizens the French didn't feel any solidarity with whatsoever?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...backfires.html

menachem

And I also wondered about the pronouncements of Manual Valls at the Vincennes rally last night, stating that "France would not be the same without its jews" and imploring them to stay.

Remember the whole business about "the quenelle" last summer ?

annhig

annhig: so why are sensitivities about the shoah deemed to be more important than sensitivities about crudely lampooning the prophet Mohammed?>>

i'm not sure why you are addressing that question specifically to me, menachem, but I would have thought the answer is obvious - one was the attempted extermination of a whole race which happened less than 80 years ago and the other is a long-dead prophet.

annhig

an unlooked for result of this week's atrocities is that Charlie Hebdo is expected to do a much greater print run than ever before and has been saved from imminent bankruptcy.

The lead cartoon is apparently going to lampoon all those who have proclaimed "Je suis Charlie" and never bought or even saw the magazine before.

menachem

Because of

"Clearly it is an infringement of free speech, but there are particular sensitivities about the Holocaust which make it understandable, IMO. "

I well know what these sensitivities are. This makes it all the stranger that when Palestinian support groups wanted to protest the Israeli bombing of Gaza, last year, there was rush legislation, in France, to prevent them from doing so.

kerouac

It is amazing to read this kind of stuff when one lives in a secular country like France.