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Old Jan 26th, 2020, 08:15 AM
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How did you price the non-Swiss trips? You can do the Paris-Strasbourg leg in TGV for as low as 16 euro adult, 8 euro10 y.o. child if you book ahead and pick the right train.

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Old Jan 26th, 2020, 10:03 AM
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>>Out of the 4 trips in Bernese Oberland, we intend to go from Lauterbrunnen to Interlaken only. The other 3 trips we will not take. <<

The Bernese Oberland is all about Mountains, Mountain Trains, Cableways, Funiculars, Lakes, Steamers, Walks.
If you are going 5000 miles from home to the BO and not taking part in these activities you are wasting your time.
So you will not even go to Muerren, Wengen and Grindelwald (Interlaken UGH!) and their viewpoints I suggest you skip BO, Switzerland on this trip. Perhaps go to Luzerne instead. Or even skip Switzerland.

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Venice Italy is a world class destination. But it comes with some pain, especially for a family with a toddler. There are rarely any fences or walls between the sidewalk and the water, so keep toddlers safely in hand.
You will not be able to use, or it is difficult to use a stroller because of the hundreds of small stepped bridges. Carrying a toddler in a child backpack for several hours is no fun for dad or the toddler. Venice is very crowded. Venice is an obstacle course. You could easily lose sight of a nine year old in the crowd. Mom may be very nervous trying to keep track of a nine year old running around in the crowd. There will be a lot of walking for grandmother and grandfather.

Venice Lido beaches.
Unless you are staying at one of the hotels that stand shoulder to shoulder along the seafront, you won't be made welcome on the prime stretch of Lido sand. The ungroomed public beaches are at the northern and southern ends of the island.
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Old Jan 26th, 2020, 10:44 AM
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Are you using the Eurail site to come up with the comparison fares pass vs non-pass? Big mistake -- they are in the business of selling rail passes after all . . .
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Originally Posted by neckervd
So you will go to Muerren, Wengen and Grindelwald only and not to the viewpoints. Right?
Yes, that is the plan. All the viewpoints that either requires hiking or too far out from Lauterbrunnen we will not go.

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Old Jan 26th, 2020, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dugi_otok
>>Out of the 4 trips in Bernese Oberland, we intend to go from Lauterbrunnen to Interlaken only. The other 3 trips we will not take. <<

The Bernese Oberland is all about Mountains, Mountain Trains, Cableways, Funiculars, Lakes, Steamers, Walks.
If you are going 5000 miles from home to the BO and not taking part in these activities you are wasting your time.
So you will not even go to Muerren, Wengen and Grindelwald (Interlaken UGH!) and their viewpoints I suggest you skip BO, Switzerland on this trip. Perhaps go to Luzerne instead. Or even skip Switzerland.
I believe there's some confusion here. We will base in Lauterbrunnen and explore the Bernese Oberland region. We want to go to Murren, Wengen, Grimmelwald and Grindelwald. We just to dont want to go to heavy hiking activities such as Jungfrau.
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Old Jan 26th, 2020, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dugi_otok
Venice Italy is a world class destination. But it comes with some pain, especially for a family with a toddler. There are rarely any fences or walls between the sidewalk and the water, so keep toddlers safely in hand.
You will not be able to use, or it is difficult to use a stroller because of the hundreds of small stepped bridges. Carrying a toddler in a child backpack for several hours is no fun for dad or the toddler. Venice is very crowded. Venice is an obstacle course. You could easily lose sight of a nine year old in the crowd. Mom may be very nervous trying to keep track of a nine year old running around in the crowd. There will be a lot of walking for grandmother and grandfather.

Venice Lido beaches.
Unless you are staying at one of the hotels that stand shoulder to shoulder along the seafront, you won't be made welcome on the prime stretch of Lido sand. The ungroomed public beaches are at the northern and southern ends of the island.
It's a very good point. We'll do more research regarding Venice.
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Old Jan 26th, 2020, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by janisj
Are you using the Eurail site to come up with the comparison fares pass vs non-pass? Big mistake -- they are in the business of selling rail passes after all . . .
I use the Eurail site for the price the whole group. I then use individual sites for point-to-point trips e.g Paris to Strasbourg. The results so far:

Eurail Global Pass
- Pros: travel date flexibility, kids ride free of charge, multiple trips within travel date
- Cons: more expensive

Point-to-point tickets
-Pros: cheaper if book months in advance
- Cons: fixed travel dates
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Old Jan 26th, 2020, 08:57 PM
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Read this on traveling by train with kids before worrying about their fares: https://www.seat61.com/Europe-train-...h-children.htm
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Originally Posted by thursdaysd
Read this on traveling by train with kids before worrying about their fares: https://www.seat61.com/Europe-train-...h-children.htm
a very good read. Thank you.
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I guess I do not understand this:
What 3 trips won't you take?
>>Out of the 4 trips in Bernese Oberland, we intend to go from Lauterbrunnen to Interlaken only. The other 3 trips we will not take. <<

In any event. I would add 2 days for a total of 5 days in the Bernese Oberland.Get the 2 days from Venice or Strasbourg, or one day from each.

Buy Jungfrau Travel passes https://www.jungfrau.ch/en-gb/jungfrau-travel-pass/

See map. There is no hiking required- all trains, cable cars, or steam ships.
I would not take a 2 year old on the train segment Eigergletscher to Jungfraunoch because the high altitude may be too high, lack of oxygen, for their undeveloped lungs.
When you get to these destinations no need to do any hiking. You might do some walking, strollers can be used. There are always restaurants there for a meal, a snack or something to drink.
Some have childrens playgrounds or some activities there-gardens, displays, etc.
The longest walk that many families do is from Mannlichen to Kleine Scheidegg, 1-1/2 hr downhill, can even have a picnic lunch on benches along the way.
This is one of the most beautiful, easy mountain walks in the area.Stollers are good here.

The steamer trips are on (Lakes) Thunersee and Brienzersee starting in Interlaken. You can take the train back. Two hour ride, 11-12 stops in colorful villages, castles etc.
There is an outdoor museum in Brienz.

One day trip I like is from Grindelwald- 15 min walk from the village to the start of a gondola (Gondolabahn) 25 min ride to First.
At First there is an excellent restaurant with a sun terrace and a panoramic view of snow capped mountains.

Another activity is Cog Railwayy to Schynige Platte and the Alpine Garden with superb views of snowcaped mountains to the south and the lakes to the north.

Another day Take a 6 min cable car ride from Lauterbrunnen to Grutschalp followed by a 20 min scenic train ride along the side of a mountain to the charming village of Murren.
Explore Murren. For the return trip you can reverse your order of getting there. For an added cost you can take a cable car down to Gimmelwald (5 min).
Explore Gimmelwald and take a cable car down to Stechelberg and take a bus back to Lauterbrunnen.
I don't recommend taking the 2 year old to the Schilthorn because of the high altitude.

Other scenic mountain train rides you will take on your 5 day stay Lauterbrunnen to Wengen to Kliene Scheidegg with views of Murren across the valley.There is a train from Kleine Scheidegg to Grindelwald.
There are cable cars Wengen to Mannlichen and Mannlichen to Grindelwald and Interlaken Harder Kulm all covered with the Jungfrau Travel Pass.Also some scenic bus rides in the region.
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Old Jan 27th, 2020, 02:05 AM
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TO LONG ISLAND:
You are right, of course!
But the OP told us at least 3times that he wants to visit Lauterbrunnen, Muerren/Gimmelwald, Wengen, Grindelwald and nothing else. I know. in post 66 he told us that he wanted to "explore the Bernese Oberland region", but I suppose he doesn't know what Bernese Oberland really is (like many other posters in this forum).
He told us too that he prefers to pay 70 EUR (265 : 4 + reservation fee) for a Paris - Strasbourg ride instead of 16 EUR (post 61).

So, I think that I have to respect his will and to just answer his questions.
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Old Jan 27th, 2020, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dugi_otok
I guess I do not understand this:
What 3 trips won't you take?
>>Out of the 4 trips in Bernese Oberland, we intend to go from Lauterbrunnen to Interlaken only. The other 3 trips we will not take. <<

In any event. I would add 2 days for a total of 5 days in the Bernese Oberland.Get the 2 days from Venice or Strasbourg, or one day from each.

Buy Jungfrau Travel passes https://www.jungfrau.ch/en-gb/jungfrau-travel-pass/

See map. There is no hiking required- all trains, cable cars, or steam ships.
I would not take a 2 year old on the train segment Eigergletscher to Jungfraunoch because the high altitude may be too high, lack of oxygen, for their undeveloped lungs.
When you get to these destinations no need to do any hiking. You might do some walking, strollers can be used. There are always restaurants there for a meal, a snack or something to drink.
Some have childrens playgrounds or some activities there-gardens, displays, etc.
The longest walk that many families do is from Mannlichen to Kleine Scheidegg, 1-1/2 hr downhill, can even have a picnic lunch on benches along the way.
This is one of the most beautiful, easy mountain walks in the area.Stollers are good here.

The steamer trips are on (Lakes) Thunersee and Brienzersee starting in Interlaken. You can take the train back. Two hour ride, 11-12 stops in colorful villages, castles etc.
There is an outdoor museum in Brienz.

One day trip I like is from Grindelwald- 15 min walk from the village to the start of a gondola (Gondolabahn) 25 min ride to First.
At First there is an excellent restaurant with a sun terrace and a panoramic view of snow capped mountains.

Another activity is Cog Railwayy to Schynige Platte and the Alpine Garden with superb views of snowcaped mountains to the south and the lakes to the north.

Another day Take a 6 min cable car ride from Lauterbrunnen to Grutschalp followed by a 20 min scenic train ride along the side of a mountain to the charming village of Murren.
Explore Murren. For the return trip you can reverse your order of getting there. For an added cost you can take a cable car down to Gimmelwald (5 min).
Explore Gimmelwald and take a cable car down to Stechelberg and take a bus back to Lauterbrunnen.
I don't recommend taking the 2 year old to the Schilthorn because of the high altitude.

Other scenic mountain train rides you will take on your 5 day stay Lauterbrunnen to Wengen to Kliene Scheidegg with views of Murren across the valley.There is a train from Kleine Scheidegg to Grindelwald.
There are cable cars Wengen to Mannlichen and Mannlichen to Grindelwald and Interlaken Harder Kulm all covered with the Jungfrau Travel Pass.Also some scenic bus rides in the region.
Reading your post makes me rethink about my phrase "exploring Bernese Oberland". Originally I only wanted to see Murren, Wengen, Grindelwald, Grimmelwald and maybe throwing in Lake Thun. Now, I understand there are a lot more in the area that I had not known.
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Originally Posted by neckervd
TO LONG ISLAND:
You are right, of course!
But the OP told us at least 3times that he wants to visit Lauterbrunnen, Muerren/Gimmelwald, Wengen, Grindelwald and nothing else. I know. in post 66 he told us that he wanted to "explore the Bernese Oberland region", but I suppose he doesn't know what Bernese Oberland really is (like many other posters in this forum).
He told us too that he prefers to pay 70 EUR (265 : 4 + reservation fee) for a Paris - Strasbourg ride instead of 16 EUR (post 61).

So, I think that I have to respect his will and to just answer his questions.
The 70 EUR Eurail Global Pass will cover all of our trips:
Paris - Strasbourg
Strasbourg - Interlaken (Interlaken to Lauterbrunnen we expect to purchase point-to-point tickets)
Interlaken - Venice

When I checked prices on individual websites, the trip from Interlaken to Venice is the most expensive ranging from $100 to $180.
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Old Jan 27th, 2020, 05:53 AM
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It looks like you can do the three long trips on fixed date/time tickets for 194 USD. Only you can decide whether the added flexibility is worth the additional 71 USD per person (plus mandatory reservation fees on some trains).

More on railpasses: https://www.seat61.com/Railpass-and-...pass-guide.htm
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Old Jan 27th, 2020, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by thursdaysd
It looks like you can do the three long trips on fixed date/time tickets for 194 USD. Only you can decide whether the added flexibility is worth the additional 71 USD per person (plus mandatory reservation fees on some trains).

More on railpasses: https://www.seat61.com/Railpass-and-...pass-guide.htm
Your calculation reconciles with mine. However, in case of Eurail Global Pass my 9 year old kid gets to ride for free whilst I'd still have to purchase child tickets if we go with point to point tickets option. So I believe the cost difference between two options might be closer. I'll need to take a closer look at reservation fees before making the final decision.

​​​​​However, the info and comments from you guys have helped me a lot and I really appreciate it.
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Old Jan 27th, 2020, 08:06 AM
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"When I checked prices on individual websites, the trip from Interlaken to Venice is the most expensive ranging from $100 to $180"
The cheapest solution would cost 60 USD (post 55), but only if you book well ahead (and for 1 adult ONLY)
Strasbourg - Interlaken costs 90 USD full fare and 60 USD with saver daypass or saver ticket.
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