How has Dublin changed for you ?
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:37 AM
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Siobhan is spot on. People used to fear the church, and most went to Mass because they were scared not to. Now people make their own decisions, and go to Mass because they get something from it. And if you go into any church on a Saturday night, it's packed full of people who like going on Saturday evening: you can go out straight afterward and don't have to get up for mass after a late night!
My husband still remembers the priest telling the boys to stay away from Protestant girls because they were easy! He also remembers how his mother used to put a pound in the collection every Sunday without fail, even though that often meant they didn't have any money left for food. That was very common, again, because people were scared not to put something in the collection plate.
My husband still remembers the priest telling the boys to stay away from Protestant girls because they were easy! He also remembers how his mother used to put a pound in the collection every Sunday without fail, even though that often meant they didn't have any money left for food. That was very common, again, because people were scared not to put something in the collection plate.
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:40 AM
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Actually, Sue, the high tech industry in Ireland is very grounded in Ireland's greatest resource: its people. Ireland has a very well educated work force, which is why the tech companies came there in the first place. Sure, some companies have moved their call centres to India, but many of those same companies have since then moved their call centres back to Ireland because of the many problems they encountered. And the call centres are really the main segment of the tech industry that is in danger of being relocated, rather than the heart of the industry.
And just look at the evidence: Microsoft, amongst others, continue to expand their presence in Ireland.
And just look at the evidence: Microsoft, amongst others, continue to expand their presence in Ireland.
Nov 12th, 2004, 08:21 AM
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Thanks, Siobhan, all, for the opinions on religion in Ireland. It just interested me since the change was so noticeable.
Another change we were told about was that the music 'scene' is moving west from Dublin to Galway, etc. My wife and I met a composer who we knew when he lived in the States for 8 years, but now claims life in Dublin, since his return, is not as welcoming for a music artist as it once was. Any comment? Is it due to artists now being taxed?
One final point; the Irish, person for person, are the friendliest people on the planet. The Irish will change immigrants for the better if these immigrants are wise enough to observe and emulate Gaelic civility. Immigrants made, and still make, America tha great country we are.
Another change we were told about was that the music 'scene' is moving west from Dublin to Galway, etc. My wife and I met a composer who we knew when he lived in the States for 8 years, but now claims life in Dublin, since his return, is not as welcoming for a music artist as it once was. Any comment? Is it due to artists now being taxed?
One final point; the Irish, person for person, are the friendliest people on the planet. The Irish will change immigrants for the better if these immigrants are wise enough to observe and emulate Gaelic civility. Immigrants made, and still make, America tha great country we are.
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:31 AM
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Ann41 Too funny what they told the kids...some things from what I heard were awful and the poor kids believed this stuff for years.
My parents too gave more money than they could afford when I was growing up in the states. I think it was a matter of pride as well so she would not look like the cheap Irish family. She always said that you have to be shown as a contribing family in order to get married in the church later...?? None of us so far has been married there and I doubt I will now living so far away. I would be shocked to see she was giving 20 (10 each collection) as we could definately not afford it and it really annoyed me.
Powell, I am not any expert on the music industry and most that I know are in BAnds and they try to travel outside Ireland to get a name for themselves. AS far as I knew artists were not taxed but that may have changed...god I thought about becoming a potter/artist/whatever when I first heard that! He would not be as busy here because there is probably not as much work for a composer in a country of only 4.5 million. The arts don't seem to be getting much money these days as they cant's justify it when there are not ewnough hospital beds and other serious issues at the moment. The arts always suffer in any country in slow times. A friend of mine was/is an artist but re-tained in the beauty industry as she was not able to make a regular income. It's hard to get a mortgage when you do not have a regular guaranteed income.
Our opera fest in Dublin is only about a week. They could not sustain ticket sales and pay the singers from abroad who come over for the leads if they had a longer run as they would not be sold out.
That's the one price we pay for a small population.
My parents too gave more money than they could afford when I was growing up in the states. I think it was a matter of pride as well so she would not look like the cheap Irish family. She always said that you have to be shown as a contribing family in order to get married in the church later...?? None of us so far has been married there and I doubt I will now living so far away. I would be shocked to see she was giving 20 (10 each collection) as we could definately not afford it and it really annoyed me.
Powell, I am not any expert on the music industry and most that I know are in BAnds and they try to travel outside Ireland to get a name for themselves. AS far as I knew artists were not taxed but that may have changed...god I thought about becoming a potter/artist/whatever when I first heard that! He would not be as busy here because there is probably not as much work for a composer in a country of only 4.5 million. The arts don't seem to be getting much money these days as they cant's justify it when there are not ewnough hospital beds and other serious issues at the moment. The arts always suffer in any country in slow times. A friend of mine was/is an artist but re-tained in the beauty industry as she was not able to make a regular income. It's hard to get a mortgage when you do not have a regular guaranteed income.
Our opera fest in Dublin is only about a week. They could not sustain ticket sales and pay the singers from abroad who come over for the leads if they had a longer run as they would not be sold out.
That's the one price we pay for a small population.
Nov 19th, 2004, 09:45 AM
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Wonderful to read how Dublin invokes such feelings and stirs the pot of conflict, but people please just simply answer the question, geez. I really enjoy walking around Dublin. It is growing very fast and the traffic is horrible, but you can just walk. I think that it is a wonderful place that oozes with culture both irish and from the continent. You can't have all things in all places. I enjoy it for what it offers. Me thinks this board does protest too much
