Getting around the Schengen zone
Jan 28th, 2014, 12:01 PM
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Perhaps you should have this conversation with the airline issuing your return ticket, just an idea. They may have a better idea of what your options might be. I honestly do not know, which is why the suggestion is being made to change your ticket to a non-Schengen country. If you leave Schengen, and fly home from non- Schengen you have no problems.
Jan 28th, 2014, 12:02 PM
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I understand and I apologize if I came off as being rude. I am just very frustrated as the woman that I love lives here in Vienna and she is a Romanian citizen. Now maybe you can all understand why Romania is the country of choice. I would not be flying to Romania, I would be traveling by car or train. I would also ravel back through Hungary to get to Austria and fly out. I would make sure to have at least 3 days and my return ticket in hand so that they could see that I am definitely leaving to go home on the 4th of March. Would the ticket alone not be enough prof that I am not intending to stay any longer than the 4th of March?
Jan 28th, 2014, 01:07 PM
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I am in Vienna, she mentioned that but I haven't been recommended by anyone else until now. Maybe that would be the best option for me. Thank you for thinking outside of the box and not giving the same answer to me as everyone else. 
I have an appointment for the American consulate for 10 am tomorrow morning but I am beginning to think that they won't be able to do much for me. Maybe I WOULD be better off to go to the Romanian consulate and getting the facts from them. My gf says that they seemed like they weren't very well informed and were not very patient, and she is Romanian. 
Anyway, that seems like the best idea so far.
I have an appointment for the American consulate for 10 am tomorrow morning but I am beginning to think that they won't be able to do much for me. Maybe I WOULD be better off to go to the Romanian consulate and getting the facts from them. My gf says that they seemed like they weren't very well informed and were not very patient, and she is Romanian. Anyway, that seems like the best idea so far.
Jan 28th, 2014, 01:23 PM
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Note that I'm not an expert on travel regulations, but speaking from my experience travelling to Croatia (in the same situation as Romania), I don't think you should have problems if you go to Romania. They are not in the Schengen area (yet) and until they are, they are considered a non-Schengen country, whether a country is joining in two months, two years or never doesn't matter. Just make sure you work out the days so that at the end you won't have overstayed, ie. the day you leave for the US will be your 90th day in Schengen.
However! It's very important that you make sure your passport is stamped when leaving the Schengen area and on the way back as well, otherwise border guards will have no way of knowing you actually left the area for that period and will think you overstayed. This might have been why the consulate advised against it, now that Romania is in the EU border control is more lax. Or chances are the lady at the consulate simply wasn't familiar with the Schengen situation in Romania.
In any case, I don't think you should have problems doing it like this, it's essentially the same as leaving the Schengen area at any other time, having 8 days left on your Schengen allowance doesn't really differ from having 88 or 48, as long as you don't overstay in the end.
However! It's very important that you make sure your passport is stamped when leaving the Schengen area and on the way back as well, otherwise border guards will have no way of knowing you actually left the area for that period and will think you overstayed. This might have been why the consulate advised against it, now that Romania is in the EU border control is more lax. Or chances are the lady at the consulate simply wasn't familiar with the Schengen situation in Romania.
In any case, I don't think you should have problems doing it like this, it's essentially the same as leaving the Schengen area at any other time, having 8 days left on your Schengen allowance doesn't really differ from having 88 or 48, as long as you don't overstay in the end.
Jan 28th, 2014, 02:19 PM
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<i> Getting around the Schengen zone
Posted by: NavyVet1980 on Jan 28, 14 at 2:09pm</i>
Gosh, you're getting busted by self-righteous Fodorites and you haven't even busted the law.
<i>rtt0921 on Jan 28, 14 at 5:23pm</i> has the right answer.
Go over to Romania and stay up to the maximum 90 days. Then go back to Austria for your return flight a couple of days before your 90 day (not three month) limit. When going to and coming back from Romania you will probably need to ask (demand) stamps in your passport. These are hard to get at many borders. Keep dated receipts (with your name on them if possible) for transportation to support the fact that you left Schengen. Reserved train seats usually have the passenger name and conductors do stamp the tickets.
If it was me I would just flout the silly Schengen law and plead ignorance if caught. I've done that a couple of times. There is nothing stated in the entry stamp about it. Where is it written? There isn't even a "Schengen entry stamp" that I have seen. Each Schengen country issues its own stamp. Go on line and even try to get an official list of Schengen countries.
When you go to the UK the entry stamp clearly states that you are allowed 6 months in the country and that you can not work or receive public assistance.
On leaving Holland at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport a few years ago I was waved through by the passport cop as soon as he saw the cover of my pretty little blue book. I stopped and asked for an exit stamp. He asked why I wanted that. I said to prove that I had left the Schengen Zone. He replied "Oh, you'll never have to worry about that!" The same year I flew in and out of CDG Paris from DTW Detroit. The French did not stamp my passport in either direction.
Carry on soldier. Don't let the bastards get you down.
Posted by: NavyVet1980 on Jan 28, 14 at 2:09pm</i>
Gosh, you're getting busted by self-righteous Fodorites and you haven't even busted the law.
<i>rtt0921 on Jan 28, 14 at 5:23pm</i> has the right answer.
Go over to Romania and stay up to the maximum 90 days. Then go back to Austria for your return flight a couple of days before your 90 day (not three month) limit. When going to and coming back from Romania you will probably need to ask (demand) stamps in your passport. These are hard to get at many borders. Keep dated receipts (with your name on them if possible) for transportation to support the fact that you left Schengen. Reserved train seats usually have the passenger name and conductors do stamp the tickets.
If it was me I would just flout the silly Schengen law and plead ignorance if caught. I've done that a couple of times. There is nothing stated in the entry stamp about it. Where is it written? There isn't even a "Schengen entry stamp" that I have seen. Each Schengen country issues its own stamp. Go on line and even try to get an official list of Schengen countries.
When you go to the UK the entry stamp clearly states that you are allowed 6 months in the country and that you can not work or receive public assistance.
On leaving Holland at Amsterdam's Schiphol airport a few years ago I was waved through by the passport cop as soon as he saw the cover of my pretty little blue book. I stopped and asked for an exit stamp. He asked why I wanted that. I said to prove that I had left the Schengen Zone. He replied "Oh, you'll never have to worry about that!" The same year I flew in and out of CDG Paris from DTW Detroit. The French did not stamp my passport in either direction.
Carry on soldier. Don't let the bastards get you down.
Jan 28th, 2014, 02:27 PM
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"Go on line and even try to get an official list of Schengen countries."
Dead easy.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs...isas/schengen/
Dead easy.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs...isas/schengen/
Feb 4th, 2014, 07:44 AM
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<i>thursdaysd on Jan 28, 14 at 6:27pm
"Go on line and even try to get an official list of Schengen countries."
Dead easy.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/</i>
Thanks. I had given up looking. The Schengen Zone has been in business for a couple of decades. This page was posted last May. It also has a lot of other valuable information linked.
"Go on line and even try to get an official list of Schengen countries."
Dead easy.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/</i>
Thanks. I had given up looking. The Schengen Zone has been in business for a couple of decades. This page was posted last May. It also has a lot of other valuable information linked.
Feb 4th, 2014, 10:03 AM
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The American embassy can do noting for you. They have nothing to do with Schengen or the laws of the sovereign states that are part of it. Nothing to do with us.
You seem to be very wolly-minded. If you want to go to Romania - then ask the consulate.
And why would we know about this? Even a Romanian would not have the same problem you do.
Why not consult a local attorney for a correct, legal answer?
You seem to be very wolly-minded. If you want to go to Romania - then ask the consulate.
And why would we know about this? Even a Romanian would not have the same problem you do.
Why not consult a local attorney for a correct, legal answer?
Feb 4th, 2014, 10:15 AM
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Nice to know you are happy breaking the law Spaarne. One time you may not be so lucky. A ban from Schengen will ban you from your beloved Haarlem, and probably make other countries less keen to let you in.
Pesonally I don't care if the OP is a war veteran or not. It doesn't give him any more rights to break the law than anyone else. Europeans, who fought along side him don't get an visa waiver for the US for more than 90 days, just because they are veterans.
I've already said why Romania may be reluctant to let him in. They do not want to screw up their entry into the zone.
Why doesn't he just go home, or go to the UK where he will be welcome for 6 months?
Pesonally I don't care if the OP is a war veteran or not. It doesn't give him any more rights to break the law than anyone else. Europeans, who fought along side him don't get an visa waiver for the US for more than 90 days, just because they are veterans.
I've already said why Romania may be reluctant to let him in. They do not want to screw up their entry into the zone.
Why doesn't he just go home, or go to the UK where he will be welcome for 6 months?
Feb 6th, 2014, 02:21 PM
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<i>hetismij2 on Feb 4, 14 at 2:15pm
Nice to know you are happy breaking the law Spaarne.
Pesonally I don't care if the OP is a war veteran or not. It doesn't give him any more rights to break the law than anyone else. Europeans, who fought along side him don't get an visa waiver for the US for more than 90 days, just because they are veterans.</i>
There are about 100,000 Americans breaking the 90 day Schengen "law." In fact the Americans have been over there for 60 years without a visa. By coincidence one of my sisters forwarded an email to me yesterday, in part reading:
<b>The Silence...
About six miles from Maastricht , in the Netherlands , lie buried 8,301 American soldiers who died in "Operation Market Garden" in the battles to liberate Holland in the fall and winter of 1944-5. Every one of the men buried in the cemetery, as well as those in the Canadian and British military cemeteries, has been adopted by a Dutch family who mind the grave, decorate it, and keep alive the memory of the soldier they have adopted. It is even the custom to keep a portrait of "their" American soldier in a place of honor in their home. Annually, on "Liberation Day," memorial services are held for "the men who died to liberate Holland ." The day concludes with a concert. The final piece is always "Il Silenzio," a memorial piece commissioned by the Dutch and first played in 1965 on the 20th anniversary of Holland 's liberation. It has been the concluding piece of the memorial concert ever since.
This year the soloist was a 13-year-old Dutch girl, Melissa Venema, backed by André Rieu and his orchestra (the Royal Orchestra of the Netherlands ). This beautiful concert piece is based upon the original version of taps and was composed by Italian composer Nino Rossi.
Watch at this site and go full screen. It's very beautiful and moving.</b>
The email linked a video of the clebration in 2008 at http://tinyurl.com/3xknnd7. I will attend the next chance I get. Maybe you know when that will be?
Nice to know you are happy breaking the law Spaarne.
Pesonally I don't care if the OP is a war veteran or not. It doesn't give him any more rights to break the law than anyone else. Europeans, who fought along side him don't get an visa waiver for the US for more than 90 days, just because they are veterans.</i>
There are about 100,000 Americans breaking the 90 day Schengen "law." In fact the Americans have been over there for 60 years without a visa. By coincidence one of my sisters forwarded an email to me yesterday, in part reading:
<b>The Silence...
About six miles from Maastricht , in the Netherlands , lie buried 8,301 American soldiers who died in "Operation Market Garden" in the battles to liberate Holland in the fall and winter of 1944-5. Every one of the men buried in the cemetery, as well as those in the Canadian and British military cemeteries, has been adopted by a Dutch family who mind the grave, decorate it, and keep alive the memory of the soldier they have adopted. It is even the custom to keep a portrait of "their" American soldier in a place of honor in their home. Annually, on "Liberation Day," memorial services are held for "the men who died to liberate Holland ." The day concludes with a concert. The final piece is always "Il Silenzio," a memorial piece commissioned by the Dutch and first played in 1965 on the 20th anniversary of Holland 's liberation. It has been the concluding piece of the memorial concert ever since.
This year the soloist was a 13-year-old Dutch girl, Melissa Venema, backed by André Rieu and his orchestra (the Royal Orchestra of the Netherlands ). This beautiful concert piece is based upon the original version of taps and was composed by Italian composer Nino Rossi.
Watch at this site and go full screen. It's very beautiful and moving.</b>
The email linked a video of the clebration in 2008 at http://tinyurl.com/3xknnd7. I will attend the next chance I get. Maybe you know when that will be?
Feb 6th, 2014, 02:33 PM
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Spaarne: Those men did not die to allow Americans to break the law. And I very <B>VERY</B> much object to you using my relatives who died and were wounded in the liberation of Europe as an excuse for others' poor choices.
I had an uncle who died in France and my father was in the Battle of the Bulge and had 3 purple hearts.
I had an uncle who died in France and my father was in the Battle of the Bulge and had 3 purple hearts.
Feb 6th, 2014, 02:43 PM
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As a European (Brit) born just post-war I certainly appreciate those Americans who showed up to help out (after the US was itself invaded). But that has <b>nothing</b> whatever to do with visa requirements 70 years later.
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